Looking for Jacob Heinzelmann, Coachmaker, Württemberg, children baptized 1867–1871

[ScottM12]

Ok. Let me be clear. My Grandfather did not emigrate with the Heinsleman family. I do
Not know when he did or even where he lived for sure in Germany. He is the one who is in Ohio in 1860. I'm trying to find out why he is listed as a brother in law to the Heinselman family in hopes of finding his parents and birth place. I’m trying to be as clear as I can be and information does change as these documents these kind people have helped me with come to light. You have twice now answered rather rudely. Please don’t do that.

 

[user722]

Can anyone identify the names of Andreas Heinzelmann's children from the Loßburg register,

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www.archion.de

(Unfortunately the system doesn't allow to copy a spreadsheet here - AND it destroys the 'spaces'
so instead - without lines - and you have to insert the spaces yourself)

Zahl der Kinder Namen Geburt Confirmation Verehelichung Tod
1 Anna 27. Septbr. 1824. "S.S. [see page] 138) Copul. Am 14. Juli 1857 mit Matthias
Weigold, Tagelöhner in Loßburg. II,47.
2 Jakob 18. Julii 1827. "Copul. Zu Grünthal den 13. April 1857 mit Katharina
Wurster von Wittlensweiler."
3 Barbara + 14. Julii 1829. 16. Aug: 1846.
4 Andreas 11. Decemb. 1833. 1847. In Amerika
5 Christina 23. Dec: 1839? 1853. 30. Juli 67 an Jakob Heinzelmann
zu Böffingen S. [see] S. 139 b Wagner in Reinerzau. + in Amerika
From 2nd marriage
Katharina 1. Juli 1844.
zu Böffingen 18 April 1858 In Lauterbach
7 Johannes 5. Aug: 1845. 1859. Cop. 27. Nvbr. 1873 c. Christian Wörner v. Oberehlenbogen, ist Lin-
denwirth in Roth I,48.
8 Magdalena + 22. Mai 1847. 16. Juli 1847

Supposedly Johannes ist the one who lived in Loßburg.

 

[vnagel2004]

Everybody involved here is really trying to help, kindly investing own time and own money to do so. That goes without saying.
But to search more or less "thru all those" Württemberg Heinzelmann emigrants to the U.S. so far provides data to you without putting you closer to solving your task. I am really sorry.
And please also be assured that I know from own long-standing experience how difficult and tedious it may be to trace one's ancestors back from the U.S. to Germany.

When did the Heinzelmann family come to the U.S. with whom your grandfather(?) appears in the 1880 Census?

"Schein" and "Heinzelmann" may have met in the U.S. so that there is absolutely no connection in Germany, right?

Thanks.

 

[user722]

Oops,

for child No 7 in my post #22 the end should read: Christine Wößner ist Lindenwirth in Rodt
see https://www.archion.de/p/4e4214ad22/

 

[vnagel2004]

When did the Heinzelmann family come to the U.S. with whom your grandfather(?) appears in the 1880 Census?

Answering my own question > 1873 = family of Jacob and Christina Heinzelmann from Reinerzau - see various messages above.

So, if Charles [Carl] Schein is Christina's brother-in-law, he may be the husband/widower of a sister of Christina OR he may be the husband/widower of a sibling of Christina's husband Jacob.

This provides the "route to search / to trace" in Germany, right?

 

[vnagel2004]

1873 Passenger List for Jacob Heinzelmann and family (wife and 3 sons)

https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/62335536?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a22526c7636626552737a62305944746b486c44624679636c556a364544332b473472755433433367766f69303d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d

1867 - record #4 marriage in Reinerzau, Württemberg between Jacob Heinzelmann and Christina Heinzelmann

https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/62335989?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a22386576535a34795850566f4d6a74703375746278715777616a7871782f6d37344c464852466537453546633d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d

 

[eggi]

Well, it seems all sisters of Jacob AND Christina Heinzelmann are either too young or have married other men, and certainly were not in USA in 1855 or earlier, Maybe Karl Schein was married to a wife who died in the 1850s or 1860s and married a 2nd wife, who was related to the Heinzelmanns. A candidate for his 2nd wife would be Jacob's sister Christina, born 1839. If that''s true, the marriage would have been in the US, not Germany.
It's also not clear at all what Karl's real surname was. In English obviously Shine, but in German there are a lot of options that need to be considered,

 

[ScottM12]

I am incredibly thankful for all the time and help you all have provided. You helped me eliminate many theories. And yes, that’s a good point that Charles could have married here in the US. I have a window of 1848 to 1854 I’m going to look at for his immigration in records on my side of this because I can’t find him in any 1850 US census, but his first child was born in Ohio in 1855. As near as I can tell the original spelling for my family was Schein. I will continue on tracking my 2x grandfather Charles as I have for almost 30 years, but I can never say thank you enough for making my first real search out side of the states so instructive.