Looking for Jacob Heinzelmann, Coachmaker, Württemberg, children baptized 1867–1871

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I am researching a Jacob Heinzelmann (born approximately 1834, Württemberg) who worked as a coachmaker (Wagenmacher). His wife was Christina, maiden name Schein, born approximately 1839 in Bavaria. They had at least three sons baptized in Württemberg before emigrating to America in September 1873:
  • Johannes Heinzelmann, born approximately 1867
  • Georg Heinzelmann, born approximately December 21, 1869
  • Jacob Heinzelmann Jr., born September 13, 1871
Jacob naturalized in Seneca County, Ohio in 1876 and declared himself a native of Württemberg, Germany.
I have searched FamilySearch indexed records without success. Can anyone suggest which parish or Dekanat to search in Archion for this family? Any help is greatly appreciated.

 
The Heinzelmann family is known in Reinerzau since the beginning of the parish registers in 1558. I have a couple of them in my pedigree, not direct ancestors, but related. The chances that you can find a connection between Jacob Heinzelmann and these early Heinzelmanns are quite good from my point of view.

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Well, thank you all! I was trying to tie Jacob’s wife, Christina, to my direct maternal line of the Schein/Shine name. I have an Ohio 1880 census where my 2x great grandfather, Charles Shine, is listed with the Jacob Heinzelman family as a brother in law. I was working on the theory Christena was his sister, but he must have been married to a sister of Jacob’s. So, now I must rework my thinking and try to find Jacob’s family where he is a child and investigate his sisters. I’m trying to find my great great grandfather’s family in Germany and when he immigrated. Has to be before 1850 because he was in Ohio by then.
 
Thank you so much for your help finding the Jacob Heinzelmann family in Reinerzau image 1238. I can see that Jacob's father was Philipp Heinzelmann (Barbara geb. Kügler), referenced at page I.71 of the Familienbuch.


I am trying to find Philipp Heinzelmann's family register page to see all of his children. Specifically I am looking for a daughter of Philipp who may have married a man named Schein. Charles Schein (born ~1823, Bavaria) is listed as Jacob Heinzelmann's brother-in-law in the 1880 US census in Tiffin, Ohio.


Can anyone help me locate Philipp's family page in the Reinerzau register, or suggest how a Schein from Bavaria connects to the Heinzelmann family of Reinerzau?
 
Thank you for finding Philipp Heinzelmann's family page. I can see his daughter Christina born October 25, 1839 — but Jacob's wife Christina was born December 23, 1839 in Löffingen, with father Balthasar Heinzelmann.


In the 1880 US census in Tiffin, Ohio, a man named Charles Schein (born ~1823, Bavaria) is listed as brother-in-law to Jacob Heinzelmann. Since Christina's maiden name was Heinzelmann, Charles Schein must connect through Christina's family in Löffingen, or possibly through Jacob's siblings.


Can anyone help find Balthasar Heinzelmann's family in Löffingen, Baden? Or suggest how a Charles Schein born ~1823 Bavaria connects to the Heinzelmann family of Reinerzau/Rötenberg/Löffingen?
 
In the family register part II, page 13, of Reinerzau you can find more information. Unfortunately it is not yet available here on Archion, but on Ancestry.


Children born in Loßburg and Reinerzau:

1. Katharina (illegitimate, Loßburg) 04 Oct 1861
2. Johannes (Reinerzau) 12 Nov 1867
3. Johann Georg 21 Dec 1869
4. Jakob 13 Sep 1871

A note tells us, the family emigrated to Ohio, USA in August 1873. The oldest child Katharina stayed in Loßburg with the family of her mother's brother.
 
I apologize for not providing enough information in the start. This is my first experience using any German based resources, and it is confusing. And I wanted to Be clear that I am trying to find things myself, just struggling with handwriting and language barrier.
All this is ultimately a back door to finding out about my 2x great grandfather, Charles Frederick Shine Sr, who died in a poor house in 1901 leaving very few traceable records. He was born around 1822, he changes his age now and then, and he was from Wittenberg, again he changes that according to the records I have.
I’m trying to find my mother’s line, the Shine’s/Schien’s family. Charles appears in a census in Ohio in 1860 with my mother’s grandfather as a 4 year old, his 2 other young sons and no wife.
I do very much appreciate the time and help
Given me. And I apologize if I have inconvenienced anyone
 
yes the 1860 and 1880 Census are my two key pieces of information. I now have the Loßburg Familienregister Band 10, Bild 322 showing Andreas Heinzelmann's children. The right side shows birth dates clearly but the left side with the children's names is cut off in my image. The emigration note on Jacob and Christina's family page says Christina's illegitimate daughter Katharina stayed with "dem Bruder der Mutter" (the mother's brother) in Loßburg after the family emigrated to Ohio in 1873.


Can anyone identify the names of Andreas Heinzelmann's children from the Loßburg register, particularly the brother who remained in Loßburg? And does the name Schein appear anywhere in the Loßburg area records connected to this family?
 
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Subject: Follow-up — Henry County Schiene family does not match
Thank you for the Henry County census reference. After reviewing it carefully, that Charles Schiene appears to be from Württemberg, age 31 in 1860, with a wife named Magdalena from New York and children named Caroline and George. My Charles Schein was born approximately 1823 in Bavaria, and his known children by 1860 were Charles Jr., John, and Daniel — all small boys. These are clearly different families.
My Charles Schein appears in the 1860 Darke County, Ohio census with those three young sons and no wife present, suggesting she had recently died. He is listed as a widower in the 1880 Tiffin census boarding with Jacob and Christina Heinzelmann.
Given that Christina Heinzelmann's father was Andreas Heinzelmann of Loßburg, and that Charles Schein is listed as Jacob Heinzelmann's brother-in-law, I am wondering whether Charles Schein's deceased wife might have been one of Andreas Heinzelmann's daughters from Loßburg — which would make her Christina's sister. Does the name Schein appear anywhere in the Loßburg or Neuneck area records? And can the names of Andreas Heinzelmann's other children be read from the Loßburg Familienregister Band 10, Bild 322?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Did you ever ask yourself how a family can appear in the 1860's Census who did not emigrate to the US earlier than 1873?

Actually there's something in terrible disorder, I am really sorry.

When did the people who appear in the 1860 Census come to the U.S.?
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