Some Questions

First, let me say that Archion has been tremendously useful to me so far in my family research even if the present holdings are not comprehensive. I have a few questions:

1) Some digitized records are clearly made from secondary media (e.g. microfilm, microfische, etc.) and those images contain defects that are from the media (scratchs) and not from flaws in the original documents. Is there any plan to produce direct digital images from the original sources (or presumably better master films)to eventually replace those tertiary images?

2) What is the likelihood that Catholic records may eventually be included in Archion's offerings? I certainly would be interested to see those records from the Bamberg area.

3) Most of my ancestors are from places for which Archion does nor presently have records (but I am patient). Archion does have substantial records from other places where my ancestors originated (Westfalen, Hessen, Bayern). These are not without gaps, however. For example, I have ancestors from Ernsthausen. Until 1808 those records were found in the records from Münchhausen. Records from 1808-1813 appear in the Standesamt holdings in Marburg but I wonder what happened to the church records thereafter. I would expect them to be in the groups from "MarburgLand" or "Frankenberg" but nothing is there. Does this indicate that the books have been lost, not yet digitized or never submitted to be digitized?
 
Hallo hernlem,
vielen Dank für Ihre Anfrage. Wir freuen uns, dass Sie mit Hilfe von Archion Ihre Familienforschung schon fortsetzen konnten.

Zu 1) Wenn vorhanden, erfolgt die Digitalisierung auf Grundlage von Masterfilmen - dies sind die höherwertigen Mikroverfilmungen. Eine direkte Digitalisierung bereits vorhandener und auf Basis von Mikrofilmverfilmungen durchgeführter Digitalisierung wird nicht erfolgen.
Zu 2) Die Kirchenbuchportal GmbH als Betreiber der Marke Archion steht einer Beteiligung der Katholischen Kirche in Deutschland offen gegenüber.
Zu 3) Lücken in den Beständen bei Archion können mehrere Ursachen haben. Für die meisten Fälle gilt, dass die Digitalisierung noch nicht abgeschlossen ist und daher in naher Zukunft mit Digitalisaten zu rechnen ist.

Anfragen an das Archion-Team können Sie uns gerne auch an info@archion.de senden.
 
Hello hernlem,

to the Point number 3, we can report that the parish Wiesenfeld (with Birkenbringhausen and Ernsthausen) decided not to participate in the digitization. For this reason, no digital copies for Ernsthausen are available on Archion.

Best regards
B. Breidenbach
 
Maybe I can help you with some data. I have a book about Ernsthausen, a chronicle. From page 419 to 450 all the old houses and families are listed, since 1775 up to now.
Kind regards, Oliver Kramer
 
Maybe I can help you with some data. I have a book about Ernsthausen, a chronicle. From page 419 to 450 all the old houses and families are listed, since 1775 up to now.
Kind regards, Oliver Kramer

Thank you very much for the reply. I did not know about this book. Can you inform me the title and publication information?

One of my great great great grandmothers was Anna Gertraud Hauptführer (*21.10.1801 Ernsthausen, +23.02. 1869 Wollmar, Hs. Nr. 67). Her parents were Henrich Hauptführer (*05.12.1756 Ernsthausen, +nach 1813)and Maria Elisabetha Cronau (*09.10.1763 Ernsthausen, +02.06.1811 Ernsthausen, Hs. Nr. 3). I am interested in additional information on this family and their descendents.

Also, one of my great great great grandfathers was Georg Engel (*13.02.1813 Ernsthausen, +02.10.1892 Indiana). His parents were (according to my research, so far) Johannes Engel (*17.11.1778 Ernsthausen, +unbekannt) and Catharina Noll (*Ernsthausen, ~01.06.1777 Münchhausen, +14.04.1849 Ernsthausen?). I am interested in additional information on this family and their descendents.

Would it be possible for you to send copies or scans of the pages of the book that you mention?

Thanks,

Brad Hernlem
hernlem@gmail.com
 
Hello hernlem,

to the Point number 3, we can report that the parish Wiesenfeld (with Birkenbringhausen and Ernsthausen) decided not to participate in the digitization. For this reason, no digital copies for Ernsthausen are available on Archion.

Best regards
B. Breidenbach

Thank you for that information. It is useful, at least, to know that the records reside with Wiesenfeld.
Do you think that such churches may decide in the future to participate in the digitization?

Years ago I found the records on my Herrnleben (now Hernlem) ancestors by direct contact with the pastor in Aufseß. However, those records for my family only go back to the 1790s and then there are some families with that name much earlier. I was able to view those records at the Kirchenbuchlesesaal in Nürnberg when I was in Germany a few years ago. My family was from Draisendorf on the boundary of the church districts of Aufseß and Heiligenstadt. There are some additional Herrnleben records in Heiligenstadt but they do not complete the gaps in the mid to late 1700s. Perhaps they are to be found in records that have not yet been digitized (Muggendorf?) or maybe even in the Catholic records (perhaps Hochstahl).
 
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Sorry, no scans, there is a copyright :)
I can try to get a legal copy, the book, for you.
Just let me know.

Hauptführer

First Column = Year of moving into that house.
E.G. 1785 Henrich Hauptführer was maybe at least at the age of 20.


House No. 3 = today belongs to Marburger Straße 3 ( Street, Road )

1775 Peter Cronau
1785 Henrich Hauptführer from No. 70 & Maria Elisabeth Cronau
1832 Heinrich Hauptführer & Elisabeth Koch
Maybe a son of Henrich 1785

1839 ...
1857 Johann Heinrich Hauptführer, went to america
Maybe a son of Heinrich 1832
...


House No. 4 = Marburger Straße 3

1775 Kurt Hauptführer & Anna Katharina Cronau
1786 Peter Hauptführer & Maria Elisabeth Tripp (1st marriage)
& Anna Margaretha Dippel (2nd marriage)
1801 Wilhelm Engel (from No. 11) & Anna Katharina Hauptführer
...


House No. 14 = Marburger Straße 2

1775 Jakob Sommer & Eva Margarethe Hauptführer (1st. marriage)
& Anna Elisabeth widowed Hesse
...


House No. 70

1775 Johannes Noll & Anna Helena widowed Hauptführer
1789 Ferdinand Sonntag from No. 22 & Elisabeth Hauptführer
Elisabeth could be a daughter of Anna Helena
...


House No. 95 = Bremer Straße 3

1775 Johannes Naumann & Sibilla Hauptführer
...

There could be some other descendants living today not named Hauptführer, e.g. Sommer, Dönges and, of course, like you mentioned, Engel ...
 
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Engel

House No. 63 = Darmstädter Str. 26

1775 Peter Engel jun. & Eva Elisabeth Engel (1st marriage)
& Elisabeth Schäfer (2nd marriage)
1812 Johannes Engel jun. & Katharina Elisabeth Noll
1838 Peter Engel & Katharina Noll (1st marriage)
& Katharina Schäfer (2nd marriage)
& Maria Elisabeth Cronau (3rd marriage)
1859 Heinrich Greis (from No. 42) & Elisabeth Cronau
1868 Jakob Greis & Eva Elisabth Tripp
1910 Karl Greis & Elisabeth Mengel >>> moved to House No. 145

House No. 145 = Marburger Straße 36

Built in 1913
1913 Karl Greis & Elisabeth Mengel
1954 Hermann Greis & Katharina Cronau



Childrens which moved built own houses or moved to ...

House No. 25 = Kirchstraße 10

...
1868 Heinrich Engel (from No. 63) & Maria Elisabeth Imhof
Don't know if another Engel in this house is a son ...
...
1897 Friedrich Engel & Katharina Kahl
1942 Michael Engel & Katharina Tripp


House No. 27 = Kirchstraße 12

...
1858 Peter Engel (from No. 63) & Maria Elisabeth Cronau
1858 Johannes Briel (from Wollmar) & Katharina Engel
1883 Johannes Briel & Anna Gertrude Tripp
1924 Peter Briel & Anna Barbara Geil
...


House No. 38 = Bergstraße 14

...
1880 Karl Greis (from No. 63) & Katharina Engel
1920 Johannes Greis & Anna Engel
1952 Karl Greis & Anna Westerweller



Have Fun!

Oliver Kramer
 
Thanks a lot to Dr. Ulrich Stöhr, Bottendorf, and Reinhold Briel and Johannes Briel for writing the book "Ernsthausen 1303-2003 Chronik zur 700-Jahr-Feier"

Oliver Kramer
 
Sorry, no scans, there is a copyright :)
I can try to get a legal copy, the book, for you.
Just let me know.

Oliver,

Thank you for the information. Yes, it would be better to find a copy of the entire book. It seems that one of the same authors also wrote "Wollmar - Höfe, Häuser und Familien". I have been trying to locate a copy of that book, as well. When my ancestors from that region left their homeland, that was the village where they were living (Wollmar). I appreciate any help you can provide in locating either or both of these books.

Brad
 
regarding a copy of the book
"Wollmar - Höfe, Häuser und Familien"

see here:
http://www.grenzgang-wollmar.de/publikationen.html

sentence of special interest: Die Publikationen sind beim ersten Vorsitzenden käuflich zu erwerben. (To buy the publications contact the chairman/president.)

click on the words: ersten Vorsitzenden
--> a new window opens
http://www.grenzgang-wollmar.de/verein/vorstand.html

which provides name and email adress of Klaus-Peter Fett, chairman/president of this society.
 
Hi Brad,
like Vera told you, try to get copies of the books.
I collected some of the local chronicles of villages around my hometown over the last 20 years.
You can ask me about Wollmar if you have details.
Let's see ...
Bye, Oliver
 
regarding a copy of the book
"Wollmar - Höfe, Häuser und Familien"

see here:
http://www.grenzgang-wollmar.de/publikationen.html

sentence of special interest: Die Publikationen sind beim ersten Vorsitzenden käuflich zu erwerben. (To buy the publications contact the chairman/president.)

click on the words: ersten Vorsitzenden
--> a new window opens
http://www.grenzgang-wollmar.de/verein/vorstand.html

which provides name and email adress of Klaus-Peter Fett, chairman/president of this society.

Vera,

Thanks for the information.

I was aware of those pages and have tried writing (twices, as I recall) and received no reply. That was by e-mail and in English, however (my written and spoken German is very poor although I can read handwriting quite proficiently. I only had one year of German in school.). I assumed that the information was out of date and have been trying to find the book on the used book market place (such as ZVAB, booklooker.de, AbeBooks, etc.). I have purchased a number of such books regarding villages in Niedersachsen that way but it can take years to find specific books. I thought that I would mention it because if Oliver has connections finding the book on Ernsthausen he might also be able to find the Wollmar book.
 
Oliver,

Concerning what you wrote about the Hauptführer families in Ernsthausen, below are records that I have found as follows:

House No. 3 = today belongs to Marburger Straße 3 ( Street, Road )
1775 Peter Cronau
1785 Henrich Hauptführer from No. 70 & Maria Elisabeth Cronau
1832 Heinrich Hauptführer & Elisabeth Koch
Maybe a son of Henrich 1785
1839 ...
1857 Johann Heinrich Hauptführer, went to america
Maybe a son of Heinrich 1832

Henrich Hauptführer *05.12.1756, +nach 1813
oo 28.08.1778
Maria Elisabetha Cronau *09.10.1763, +02.06.1811 Ernsthausen Nr. 3
Kinder:
1) Elisabetha ~16.09.1783, oo15.02.1810 Carl Friedrich Adolph Landau
2) Eva Elisabeth ~11.01.1788
3) Anna Gerdrauth ~12.09.1790, []12.07.1792
4) Johannes *13.06.1793, []06.11.1796
5) Maria Elisabetha ~06.03.1796, []15.04.1805
6) Henrich *16.02.1799
7) Anna Gertraud *21.10.1801, +23.02.1869 Wollmar Nr. 67
8) Anna Catharina *11.09.1804
oo17.04.1813
Elisabetha Fenner *24.03.1763 Silberg

House No. 4 = Marburger Straße 3
1775 Kurt Hauptführer & Anna Katharina Cronau
1786 Peter Hauptführer & Maria Elisabeth Tripp (1st marriage)
& Anna Margaretha Dippel (2nd marriage)
1801 Wilhelm Engel (from No. 11) & Anna Katharina Hauptführer

Peter Hauptführer ~16.07.1758 (Bruder Johannes ~21.09.1764)
oo ??
Eva Margaretha *err. 12.1760, []16.10.1783
Kinder:
1) Anna Catharina oo 16.01.1801 Wilhelm Engel
oo 02.02.1785
Maria Eliesabetha Tripp *err.27.06.1765, []20.05.1800
Kinder:
2) Curth Henrich *08.04.1790 Ernsthausen Nr. 4, []24.06.1792
3) Eliesabetha ~21.03.1800, []11.06.1800
oo 08.06.1804
Anna Margaretha Dippel

House No. 14 = Marburger Straße 2
1775 Jakob Sommer & Eva Margarethe Hauptführer (1st. marriage)
& Anna Elisabeth widowed Hesse

vielleicht Eva Margarethe Hauptführer ~30.11.1749 T.d. Jacob Hauptführer u. Anna Maria Schmidt

House No. 70
1775 Johannes Noll & Anna Helena widowed Hauptführer
1789 Ferdinand Sonntag from No. 22 & Elisabeth Hauptführer
Elisabeth could be a daughter of Anna Helena

Stephan Hauptführer ~18.05.1727, []12.11.1765
oo 03.02.1747
Anna Helena Scheibel *um 1727, []30.05.1782 - 2te Ehe 08.08.1766 Johannes Noll
Kinder:
1) Elisabeth ~22.09.1748
2) Jacob ~06.10.1750
3) Christoph ~28.02.1754
4) Henrich *05.12.1756
5) Elisabeth *17.10.1759
6) Christoph *14.12.1762, []17.02.1765

House No. 95 = Bremer Straße 3
1775 Johannes Naumann & Sibilla Hauptführer

oo 14.07.1752, Sybilla Elisabeth Hauptführer *26.01.1729 T.d. Johann Jacob Hauptführer u. Eulalia Engel

So these are all in agreement with what I have found so far, with the exception that Peter in Nr. 4 seems to have been married once before although I did not find the marriage. I will have to go back and look at the original images to sort that out.
 
Wollmar

Nummer 67 - Hausname "Growe" = Grabenstraße 4

"Growe" means Graben = a rift or a moat

"Die ehemaligen Nummern 67 und 68 bildeten vor 300 Jahren noch ein gemeinsames Anwesen der Familie Seip, das diese mit dem dazu gehörigen Wiesenfelder Gut vom Landgrafen gepachtet hatte, So wurde 1688 ein gemeinsamer Pachtvertrag für die Brüder Caspar und Stephan Seip ausgestellt. Stephan war der Begründer des Hofes im Graben; für dessen Besitzer taucht bereits um 1820 die Bezeichnung "Grabemann" auf.
Stephan Seips Tochter Elisabeth heiratete 1701 Christoph Waßmuth aus der Schillermühle. Von den Töchtern des Sohnes Stephan Wßmuth (1703-1747) erbte zunächst Elisabeth den Hof. Da ihre Ehe mit Henrich Briel kinderlos blieb, ging das Anwesen an die Schwester Gertrud über, die 1765 Henrich Koch aus "Schreinersch" heiratete. Seitdem hießen alle Hofbesitzer in gerade männlicher Linie He(i)nrich Koch - bis zum 1919 geborenen Hoferben Heinrich Koch, der seit 1943 in Rußland vermißt wird. Seine Schwester Gertrud heiratete 1951 Heinrich Koch aus Engelbach. 1966 erichteten die Eheleute ein neues Wohnhaus, das sie 1968 bezogen und 1995 an den Sohn Heinrich Koch übergaben."

Quelle: Wollmar - Höfe, Häuser und Familien, Grenzgang 1999, Herausgeber: Grenzgangverein Wollmar Festbuch Ausschuß


Anna Gertraud Hauptführer heiratete im Haus 67 ziemlich sicher einen He(i)nrich Koch ...

 
Wollmar

Nummer 67 - Hausname "Growe" = Grabenstraße 4

"Growe" means Graben = a rift or a moat

"Die ehemaligen Nummern 67 und 68 bildeten vor 300 Jahren noch ein gemeinsames Anwesen der Familie Seip, das diese mit dem dazu gehörigen Wiesenfelder Gut vom Landgrafen gepachtet hatte, So wurde 1688 ein gemeinsamer Pachtvertrag für die Brüder Caspar und Stephan Seip ausgestellt. Stephan war der Begründer des Hofes im Graben; für dessen Besitzer taucht bereits um 1820 die Bezeichnung "Grabemann" auf.
Stephan Seips Tochter Elisabeth heiratete 1701 Christoph Waßmuth aus der Schillermühle. Von den Töchtern des Sohnes Stephan Wßmuth (1703-1747) erbte zunächst Elisabeth den Hof. Da ihre Ehe mit Henrich Briel kinderlos blieb, ging das Anwesen an die Schwester Gertrud über, die 1765 Henrich Koch aus "Schreinersch" heiratete. Seitdem hießen alle Hofbesitzer in gerade männlicher Linie He(i)nrich Koch - bis zum 1919 geborenen Hoferben Heinrich Koch, der seit 1943 in Rußland vermißt wird. Seine Schwester Gertrud heiratete 1951 Heinrich Koch aus Engelbach. 1966 erichteten die Eheleute ein neues Wohnhaus, das sie 1968 bezogen und 1995 an den Sohn Heinrich Koch übergaben."

Quelle: Wollmar - Höfe, Häuser und Familien, Grenzgang 1999, Herausgeber: Grenzgangverein Wollmar Festbuch Ausschuß


Anna Gertraud Hauptführer heiratete im Haus 67 ziemlich sicher einen He(i)nrich Koch ...

Oliver,

Thanks again for the information. This agrees with what I had found from the records on Archion, so far. Below is a summary of my research. I had noticed that there was a long line of He(i)nrich Kochs, as well. Interestingly, my great great grandfather Heinrich had an older brother by the same name that seems to have inherited the property. He (and his future wife) emigrated from Wollmar to southwest Indiana (and later moved to Minnesota). I found many other families from the area the made the same trip (not all at the same time).

1. Christopher Waßmuth (S.d. Hanß Waßmuth)
oo 26.07.1702
Elisabetha Seip (T.d. Stephan Seip)

2. Stephan Waßmuth (*12.01.1703, []20.03.1747)
oo 07.05.1726
Margreta Göbel (*um 1700, []17.07.1743)

3. Gertrud Waßmuth (*03.10.1733, +07.03.1806 Wollmar Nr. 67)
oo 05.12.1765
Johann Henrich Koch (*err. 23.09.1743, +29.05.1818 Wollmar Nr. 67

4. Henrich Koch (*28.09.1766, +20.03.1814 Wollmar Nr. 67)
oo 16.11.1791
Anna Kunigunda Dönges (*15.01.1778 Wollmar Nr. 42, +02.02.1848 Wollmar Nr. 67)

5. Heinrich Koch (*24.05.1801 Wollmar Nr. 67, +29.01.1878 Wollmar Nr. 67)
oo 16.12.1827
Anna Gertraud Hauptführer (*21.10.1801 Ernsthausen, +23.02.1869 Wollmar Nr. 67)

6a. Heinrich Koch (*31.12.1828 Wollmar Nr. 67, +03.08.1902 Wollmar Nr. 67)
oo 08.10.1854
Catharina Freiling (*06.04.1831, +30.01.1903 Wollmar Nr. 67)

6b. Heinrich Koch (*05.01.1836 Wollmar Nr. 67, +10.08.1911 Minnesota) 1859 wandert nach Nordamerika aus
oo 09.02.1863 Indiana
Eva Margarethe Engel (*27.03.1845 Wollmar, +09.04.1902 Minnesota)
Meine Ur-Urgroßeltern

7a. Heinrich Koch (*30.07.1860 Wollmar Nr. 67)
oo 19.04.1885
Margaretha Holzapfel (*20.01.1856 Wollmar Nr. 74)

8a. Heinrich Koch (*30.04.1886 Wollmar Nr. 67)
 
Oliver,

Thanks again for the information...

Hello hernlem,

I know this thread is quite old, but maybe you are still interested in further information about this. I can provide details about the Seipp family, who are among my own ancestors.

The line goes like this:

Elisabeth Seipp
*5 Oct 1684 Wollmar, +11 Jan 1722 Wollmar
oo28 Jul 1701 in Wollmar
Christoph Waßmuth

Stephan Seipp
*22 Feb 1658 Wollmar, +bet.1717 and 1719
oobef.1684
NN
*abt.1660, +aft.1697

Johannes Seipp
*1626 Laisa, +aft.1678 Wollmar
oobet.1647 and 1651 in Wollmar
Anna, Stephan Motz's daughter
*abt.1625 Wollmar, +aft.1664 Wollmar

Caspar Seipp
*abt.1580 Laisa, +5 Aug 1661 Wollmar
1638 juror in Laisa
(The founder of the "Wollmar line" of the Seipp family)
1.oobef.1624 in Laisa
NN
*abt.1580, +2 Sept 1625 Laisa
2.oo24 Apr 1626 in Laisa
Elisabeth, Johannes Paulus' daughter
*abt.1605 Laisa, +10 Sept 1636 Laisa, Plague
3.oo26 Jun 1637 in Laisa
Elisabeth, Johannes Lückenschmidts daughter
*1617 Laisa, +aft.1650 Wollmar
(The son Johannes, born 1626, was from the 3rd marriage)

Eberhard Seipp
*abt.1555 Berghofen, +bet. Jan. and May 1624 Laisa
oo1579 in Laisa
Catharina, Andreas Feisel's daughter
*abt.1555 Laisa, +12 Dec 1626 Laisa

Conrad Seipp
*abt.1515 Berghofen, +bet.1562 and 1574 Berghofen
1.ooabt.1540 in Berghofen
NN
*abt.1520 Hatzfeld, +abt.1555 Berghofen
2.ooabt.1555 in Berghofen
NN
*abt.1530, +bef.1570 Berghofen
(The son Eberhard was from the 2nd marriage)

Junghen Seipp
*abt.1585 Allendorf/Eder, +aft.1551 Berghofen
ooabt.1515 in Berghofen
NN
*abt.1485

NN Seipp
*abt.1450, +aft.1502 Allendorf/Eder
oobef.1480 in Allendorf/Eder
Katharina
*abt.1450, +aft.1495 Allendorf/Eder

Further details are available. I can provide them if you are interested.

Kind regards,
Daniel Bamberger
 
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