Graudenz baptism record in 1829 for Wilhelmine Caroline -Help reading

[JLFrank]

Please help transcribe this baptism record in 1829 for Wilhelmine Caroline, father is Jacob Golombek
105: Grünlinde: ???
What is said in the rest of the entry, especially the mother's name. Is there an occupation for the father?
Thank you

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Berlin / Brandenburg / Evangelical Central Archive in Berlin / Graudenz District (West Prussia Province) / Graudenz, Municipality / Baptisms 1817-1843

 

[JLFrank]

here is the marriage index of parents Jacob Golombek and Euphrosyne Kurzhals ( She is under the Ks but unsure of the rest of the spelling)

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[JLFrank]

Here is actual marriage record #15 -And does look like Kurzhals Ithink ages are 36 and 32 - is that correct? Than you

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[agerbig22]

105.
Grünlinde

Dem Jacob Golombeck Eigenth(ümer) ist v(on) s(eine)r
Ehefr(au) Euphrosÿne geb. Kerthals n. T. p. p.
Wilhelmine Caroline - Tfz: (Taufzeuge) Friedrich
Matern, Fr(au) Petronella Schoen.

October
zwei u. zwan-
zigsten
fr(üh) 2 Uhr

(Tauftag) 31.


(Perhaps someone else can explain the abbreviation n. T. p. p.)

 

[agerbig22]

Die Abkürzung könnte auch "n. T. g. g." lauten.

The abbreviation could also be “n. T. g. g.”.

 

[vnagel2004]

@JLFrank

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[JLFrank]

105.
Grünlinde

Dem Jacob Golombeck Eigenth(ümer) ist v(on) s(eine)r
Ehefr(au) Euphrosÿne geb. Kerthals n. T. p. p.
Wilhelmine Caroline - Tfz: (Taufzeuge) Friedrich
Matern, Fr(au) Petronella Schoen.

October
zwei u. zwan-
zigsten
fr(üh) 2 Uhr

(Tauftag) 31.


(Perhaps someone else can explain the abbreviation n. T. p. p.)

Thank you so much

 

[agerbig22]

Here is actual marriage record #15 -And does look like Kurzhals Ithink ages are 36 and 32 - is that correct? Than you

15 Grünelinde

Wittwer Jacob Golombeck, Eigenthümer in Grünelinde mit Euphrosÿne, des verstorb(enen) in Rossgarten
Jacob Kurzhals ält(este) Jgfr. (=Jungfrau) Tochter, pr.(oclamiert) Domo. 18. 19 et 20. p.(ast) T.(rinitatis)

Monat und Tag der Kopulation:
sechs und zwan-
zigsten October

Alter des Bräutigams: 36
Alter der Braut: 32

 

[agerbig22]

here is the marriage index of parents Jacob Golombek and Euphrosyne Kurzhals ( She is under the Ks but unsure of the rest of the spelling)

Das alphabetische Verzeichnis lautet / The alphabetical list is as follows:

„Kurzhals, Euphrosÿne 15“

Der Name kommt aus dem Griechischen: εὖ (eu) bedeutet „gut“ and φρήν (phren) bedeutet „Herz, Verstand, Sinn, Geist“. Man kann also etwa übersetzen: „die Frohsinnige“, „die Heitere“ oder „die Gutherzige“. Den Namen Euphrosyne trägt eine der drei Grazien der griechischen Mythologie. Die beiden anderen sind Thalia und Aglaia. (aus: Wikipedia)

The name comes from Greek: εὖ (eu) means “good” and φρήν (phren) means “heart, mind, spirit, spirit.” It can therefore be translated as “the cheerful one,” “the joyful one,” or “the kind-hearted one.” The name Euphrosyne is borne by one of the three Graces in Greek mythology. The other two are Thalia and Aglaia. (from: Wikipedia).


Es kann in den älteren Kirchenbüchern durchaus vorkommen, dass die Schreibweise der Familiennamen von Eintrag zu Eintrag (hier: Kerthals/Kurzhals), manchmal sogar innerhalb eines Eintrags, voneinander abweicht – je nachdem, was der Pfarrer verstanden bzw. zu hören geglaubt hat.

In older church records, it is quite common for the spelling of family names to vary from entry to entry (here: Kerthals/Kurzhals), sometimes even within a single entry, depending on what the pastor understood or thought he heard.

 

[Curiosita]

Die Abkürzung könnte auch "n. T. g. g." lauten.

The abbreviation could also be “n. T. g. g.”.

e. T. g. g. = eine Tochter geboren genannt

cf. https://www.archion.de/p/7df987e0f3/

 

[JLFrank]

Das alphabetische Verzeichnis lautet / The alphabetical list is as follows:

„Kurzhals, Euphrosÿne 15“

Der Name kommt aus dem Griechischen: εὖ (eu) bedeutet „gut“ and φρήν (phren) bedeutet „Herz, Verstand, Sinn, Geist“. Man kann also etwa übersetzen: „die Frohsinnige“, „die Heitere“ oder „die Gutherzige“. Den Namen Euphrosyne trägt eine der drei Grazien der griechischen Mythologie. Die beiden anderen sind Thalia und Aglaia. (aus: Wikipedia)

The name comes from Greek: εὖ (eu) means “good” and φρήν (phren) means “heart, mind, spirit, spirit.” It can therefore be translated as “the cheerful one,” “the joyful one,” or “the kind-hearted one.” The name Euphrosyne is borne by one of the three Graces in Greek mythology. The other two are Thalia and Aglaia. (from: Wikipedia).


Es kann in den älteren Kirchenbüchern durchaus vorkommen, dass die Schreibweise der Familiennamen von Eintrag zu Eintrag (hier: Kerthals/Kurzhals), manchmal sogar innerhalb eines Eintrags, voneinander abweicht – je nachdem, was der Pfarrer verstanden bzw. zu hören geglaubt hat.

In older church records, it is quite common for the spelling of family names to vary from entry to entry (here: Kerthals/Kurzhals), sometimes even within a single entry, depending on what the pastor understood or thought he heard.

Thanks for that understanding

 

[JLFrank]

15 Grünelinde

Wittwer Jacob Golombeck, Eigenthümer in Grünelinde mit Euphrosÿne, des verstorb(enen) in Rossgarten
Jacob Kurzhals ält(este) Jgfr. (=Jungfrau) Tochter, pr.(oclamiert) Domo. 18. 19 et 20. p.(ast) T.(rinitatis)

Monat und Tag der Kopulation:
sechs und zwan-
zigsten October

Alter des Bräutigams: 36
Alter der Braut: 32

Thank you. I had a question on the transcription to English. Is it saying that Jacob from Rosgarten is deceased? And what does "pr.(oclamiert) Domo. 18. 19 et 20. p.(ast) T.(rinitatis)" mean? You have been very helpful. I appreciate everything.

 

[JLFrank]

never mind I think this is how it would transcribe

Widower Jacob Golombeck, landowner in Grünelinde, with Euphrosyne, the eldest unmarried daughter of the deceased Jacob Kurzhals in Rossgarten.

The banns were read on the 18th, 19th, and 20th Sundays after Trinity
Thanks

 

[Wolfgang_F]

The banns were read on the 18th, 19th, and 20th Sundays after Trinity

That's right in old times it was written "Proclamation am ..." or proclamiert [am] ..." today "Proklamation".

landowner

I do not know wheather that translation is correct. In my opinion he might as well have been owner of a poor little house. He possessed something in the town but we do not know what.

 

[JLFrank]

Thanks, I will make that correction