1780s Marriage Record Near Hamm--Where to Look?

[GurdyRoot]

Hello!
I'm trying to trace Johannes Scherer (von Hamm) and Katharina Schumacher (von Hangen-Weisheim). My question is, where would their marriage most likely have taken place, if not in Hamm? (Records don't exist for that time in Hangen-Weisheim.)

As far as I know, their first child was born in 1782 in Hamm: https://www.archion.de/p/74022f639b/

That baptism is the farthest back I can go with that family. I have checked every city in Dekanat Osthofen for the marriage, as well as some cities in the surrounding area. I also looked at the cities of Worms and Alzey. Any ideas where else I could or should look?


*I have a theory that this may be the same Johannes Scherer who was widowed in 1779: https://www.archion.de/p/9a5f4fdd1a/
The timeline could fit for a possible second marriage a couple years later. Also, this was the only Hamm death record I could find for a Johannes Scherer. He was 75 in 1801, which might support the theory: https://www.archion.de/p/d81bfd8664/

Thank you so much for your time and help!!

 

[GurdyRoot]

Hi again. I wanted to add a couple things:

One of Johannes and Katharina's children's baptism was witnessed by Isaac Schumacher and his wife. Isaac's 1776 marriage in Hamm had a notation for Reformed religion at the end. I also found a baptism for a child of a Johannes Schumacher in Hamm that same year, witnessed by Catharina Schumacher of Hangen-Weisheim. Her father had the same name as Isaac's father. I'm assuming that's the same Catharina Schumacher....

Is it reasonable to assume that the Schumachers are likely not in Catholic records, then? Should I also assume that the marriage was in Hangen-Weisheim, despite it not being available and/or existing now?

Thank you again.

 

[Anne23]

Hallo,

ich habe mir schon einige Seiten zu Ihrer Suche angesehen und da Sie schreiben, es wäre eine Theorie, könnte man ebenso als Theorie annehmen, dass es sich um einen der Söhne handelt.

Die Taufeinträge, die ich zu Johann Scherer und Catharina Schumacher gefunden habe, gehen vermutlich von 1782 bis 1795:

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Dazu gibt es Einträge zu Valentin und Jakob Scherer. Ich denke, dass es daher empfehlenswert wäre, die Daten für die Söhne zusammen zu stellen, auch wenn es mit viel Arbeit verbunden ist.

Ansonsten bekommt man dazu keine Klarheit.

Die Heirat des Isaac Schumacher 1778:

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Vielleicht auch hilfreich:

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LG

 

[Anne23]

Hallo,

Is it reasonable to assume that the Schumachers are likely not in Catholic records, then? Should I also assume that the marriage was in Hangen-Weisheim, despite it not being available and/or existing now?

Ich vermute, dass die Familie Schumacher nicht katholisch war.

Da die Angaben zu Hangen - Weisheim in dieser Zeit nicht verfügbar sind, würde ich verstärkt auf die Angaben der Paten achten und versuchen, die Sterbeeinträge zu finden, ob man darin weitere Angaben zu Alter, Herkunft und Eltern findet.

Und ja, es war sehr oft so, dass die Heirat am Wohnort der Braut stattfand.

Erst wenn man alles verglichen hat, kann man sehen, wie alles zusammenpasst.

LG

 

[GurdyRoot]

Thank you so much, @Anne23!! I will look at all of this. It may very well be that he was one of his sons. I will also start to put together the family tree for Jakob and Valentin Scherer. I appreciate all of your extensive help!
Vielen Dank!!