There are 10 x "Ernst Schiele" in the NSDAP database, but no one with that birthdate.
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Suche nach Geburts- und Heiratsunterlagen für Ernst Schiele, geboren 25. Dezember 1919 in Ostdeutschland
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Thank you for these interesting thoughts. The reference to "East Germany" comes from my father, Malcolm, who registered the death in 1983 as the next of kin. It's quite possible that he himself knew no more than that, as my grandfather kept his earlier life very private. My mother, who is still alive, remembers that my grandfather spoke German to me when I was a baby, but refused to have his picture taken with me. Sincerely, Anna
Thank you for these interesting thoughts. The information "East Germany" was provided by my father Malcolm, who registered the death in 1983 as next of kin. It is quite possible that he himself knew no more than that, as my grandfather kept his earlier life very private. My mum, who is still alive, recalls my grandfather talking to me in German when I was a baby, yet he refused to have a photograph taken with me. Kind regards, Anna
Thank you for these interesting thoughts. The information "East Germany" was provided by my father Malcolm, who registered the death in 1983 as next of kin. It is quite possible that he himself knew no more than that, as my grandfather kept his earlier life very private. My mum, who is still alive, recalls my grandfather talking to me in German when I was a baby, yet he refused to have a photograph taken with me. Kind regards, Anna
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War nur ein Gedanke. Mußte man in England nicht auch, wenn möglich, Papiere bei der Anmeldung eines Todesfalles vorlegen? Wer hat denn diesen Geburtsort genannt? Vielleicht stimmt auch das Datum nicht wenn er so viel zu verbergen hatte???? Egal, kein Archion-Thema.
Aber sicher musste man das.
Er muss ja in England auch erneut geheiratet haben, wenn ich die bisher bekannten Informationen richtig verstehe.
Das wiederum bedeutet, sofern die erste Frau, zu der er nach den Krieg angabegemäß „nicht zurückkehren konnte“, nicht verstorben war, dass er von ihr geschieden sein sollte.
Also sollte es Scheidungsunterlagen geben, bevor er in England erneut heiraten konnte.
Viele, viele Fragezeichen, aber alles -wie Du sagst- kein(!) Thema für Archion.
Vielen Dank für diese Information, das ist sehr hilfreich. Ich frage mich, ob er möglicherweise sein Geburtsdatum geändert hat, da er so vieles in seinem Leben verborgen hielt. Ich habe eine Zeichnung von ihm aus dem Kriegsgefangenenlager, datiert auf den 25. Dezember 1944, und mir wurde gesagt, dass sie für ihn an seinem Geburtstag gezeichnet wurde.There are 10 x "Ernst Schiele" in the NSDAP database, but no one with that birthdate.
Als er nach dem Krieg nach Großbritannien repatriiert wurde, muss er irgendeine Art von offiziellen Dokumenten gehabt haben. Ich frage mich, ob diese seinen wahren Geburtsort und sein wahres Geburtsdatum enthalten hätten.
Ich möchte mich auch bei allen herzlich bedanken, die mir heute geholfen haben. Es war bisher eine emotionale und einsame Suche, und ich habe in diesem Forum großen Trost gefunden. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Anna
Thank you so much for checking this, that is very helpful. I have wondered whether he may have changed his date of birth, as he kept so much of his life hidden. I have a drawing of him from the Canadian POW camp dated 25th December 1944, and I was told it was drawn for him on his birthday.
When he was repatriated to the UK after the war he must have had some kind of official documents, I wonder if they would have contained his true place and date of birth.
I would also like to thank everyone who has helped me today. It has been an emotional and lonely search so far, and I have found great comfort in this forum. Kind regards, Anna
Vielen Dank, Vera, für diese scharfsinnige Beobachtung. Soweit ich weiß, haben mein Großvater und meine Großmutter jedoch nie geheiratet, da er mit seiner Frau in Ostdeutschland verheiratet blieb. Meine Großmutter nahm einfach seinen Namen an, ohne dass eine formelle Ehe stattfand. Ich habe dies bereits überprüft und es gibt keine Heirats- oder Scheidungsurkunden in England. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, AnnaAber sicher musste man das.
Er muss ja in England auch erneut geheiratet haben, wenn ich die bisher bekannten Informationen richtig verstehe.
Das wiederum bedeutet, sofern die erste Frau, zu der er nach den Krieg angabegemäß „nicht zurückkehren konnte“, nicht verstorben war, dass er von ihr geschieden sein sollte.
Also sollte es Scheidungsunterlagen geben, bevor er in England erneut heiraten konnte.
Viele, viele Fragezeichen, aber alles -wie Du sagst- kein(!) Thema für Archion.
Thank you Vera for this sharp observation. However my grandfather and grandmother never formally married, as he remained married to his wife in East Germany. My grandmother simply took his name without a formal marriage taking place. I have already checked and there are no marriage or divorce records in England. Kind regards, Anna
Schiele, Ernst b. 25.-Dec-1919In case he may have been a member of the NSDAP you may also find more information about him using these holdings
NOT found in der NSDAP membership list
from https://catalog.archives.gov/id/602560440?objectPage=1941
to https://catalog.archives.gov/id/602560440?objectPage=1946
Dear all,
I wanted to return to this thread to thank you all for your help in April and to share some significant progress I have made since then.
Shortly after posting here, I discovered that the Ernst Schiele I had researched, the one with the military decorations, was not my grandfather. My grandfather, Ernst Schiele, was a private first class in the German army, not the air force, and was captured in France or Belgium in July or August 1944 after the D-Day landings.
Through a Canadian researcher specializing in prisoner-of-war records, I was able to obtain some of his Canadian POW details. He was imprisoned in Camp 132 at Medicine Hat, Alberta, and was repatriated to the United Kingdom in February 1946 as part of Return Transport No. 1, arriving in Liverpool on board the HMT Mauretania on February 19, 1946.
Since then, this research has allowed me to confirm that he was born in Quedlinburg, and I have now written to the registry office there requesting his birth certificate. I am also waiting for the German Federal Archives to release his military records. Now I will need to visit the National Archives in the United Kingdom to find out about him from his arrival in the UK in 1946 until my father's birth in 1949.
Thank you again for your help, it was really helpful and pointed me in the right direction .
English
Dear all,
I wanted to return to this thread to thank you all for your help back in April, and to share some significant progress I have made since then.
Shortly after posting here I discovered that the Ernst Schiele I had been researching, the one with the military awards, was not my grandfather.
My grandfather, Ernst Schiele was a Gefreiter, a private, in the German Army, not the Luftwaffe, and was captured in France or Belgium in July or August 1944 following the D-Day landings.
Through a Canadian researcher specialising in prisoner of war records, I was able to obtain some of his Canadian POW details. He was held at Camp 132 in Medicine Hat, Alberta, and was returned to the United Kingdom in February 1946 as part of Return Draft No 1, arriving in Liverpool on 19th February 1946 aboard the HMT Mauretania.
I have since been able to confirm that he was born in Quedlinburg through this research, and I have now written to the registry office in Quedlinburg requesting his birth certificate. I am also awaiting the release of his military records from the Federal Archives .
I am now going to need to go to the National Archives in the UK to be able to find anything on him from when he arrived in the UK in 1946 to when my father was born in 1949.
Thank you again for your assistance, it was genuinely helpful in pointing me in the right direction.
I wanted to return to this thread to thank you all for your help in April and to share some significant progress I have made since then.
Shortly after posting here, I discovered that the Ernst Schiele I had researched, the one with the military decorations, was not my grandfather. My grandfather, Ernst Schiele, was a private first class in the German army, not the air force, and was captured in France or Belgium in July or August 1944 after the D-Day landings.
Through a Canadian researcher specializing in prisoner-of-war records, I was able to obtain some of his Canadian POW details. He was imprisoned in Camp 132 at Medicine Hat, Alberta, and was repatriated to the United Kingdom in February 1946 as part of Return Transport No. 1, arriving in Liverpool on board the HMT Mauretania on February 19, 1946.
Since then, this research has allowed me to confirm that he was born in Quedlinburg, and I have now written to the registry office there requesting his birth certificate. I am also waiting for the German Federal Archives to release his military records. Now I will need to visit the National Archives in the United Kingdom to find out about him from his arrival in the UK in 1946 until my father's birth in 1949.
Thank you again for your help, it was really helpful and pointed me in the right direction .
English
Dear all,
I wanted to return to this thread to thank you all for your help back in April, and to share some significant progress I have made since then.
Shortly after posting here I discovered that the Ernst Schiele I had been researching, the one with the military awards, was not my grandfather.
My grandfather, Ernst Schiele was a Gefreiter, a private, in the German Army, not the Luftwaffe, and was captured in France or Belgium in July or August 1944 following the D-Day landings.
Through a Canadian researcher specialising in prisoner of war records, I was able to obtain some of his Canadian POW details. He was held at Camp 132 in Medicine Hat, Alberta, and was returned to the United Kingdom in February 1946 as part of Return Draft No 1, arriving in Liverpool on 19th February 1946 aboard the HMT Mauretania.
I have since been able to confirm that he was born in Quedlinburg through this research, and I have now written to the registry office in Quedlinburg requesting his birth certificate. I am also awaiting the release of his military records from the Federal Archives .
I am now going to need to go to the National Archives in the UK to be able to find anything on him from when he arrived in the UK in 1946 to when my father was born in 1949.
Thank you again for your assistance, it was genuinely helpful in pointing me in the right direction.