Wedding Question

[karenappleyard]

Hi. I believe this is the wedding record for my ancestor Johann Leonhardt Matthes to Catharina Keller. The father is Johann Wendel Matthes - is it possible to tell if Wendel is alive at this point, or has he died. Many Thanks, Karen.

http://www.archion.de/p/f2b8cb52e5/

 

[vnagel2004]

Johann Leonhard Mattheß, neuangehenden Bür-
gers allhir, weil[and] Joh[ann] Wendel Mattheß, gewesenen
Beckers u[nd] Feldschieders zu Dörzbach hinterlas-
sener ehel[icher] Sohn, ledigen Standes; und Catharina, weil[and]
Johann Simon Kellers, gewesenen Bürgers u[nd]
Kiefers allhir, nachgelassene Wittib


weiland = verstorben

The groom's father was dead at the time of this marriage.
The bride is a surviving widow.
You don't learn Catharina's maiden name from this record. In order to get that information you may want to search for her previous marriage to Johann Simon Keller.

 

[karenappleyard]

Johann Leonhard Mattheß, neuangehenden Bür-
gers allhir, weil[and] Joh[ann] Wendel Mattheß, gewesenen
Beckers u[nd] Feldschieders zu Dörzbach hinterlas-
sener ehel[icher] Sohn, ledigen Standes; und Catharina, weil[and]
Johann Simon Kellers, gewesenen Bürgers u[nd]
Kiefers allhir, nachgelassene Wittib


weiland = verstorben

The groom's father was dead at the time of this marriage.
The bride is a surviving widow.

Thank you so much. I have now narrowed Wendel's death down to 1746 - 1755; I will find it eventually!

 

[vnagel2004]

An addition regarding the dates which I inadvertently left out, sorry.

[1755]
Dominicis ijsdem [an den gleichen Sonntagen / Tagen des Herrn]

this is a back-reference to the preceding record

1755

Dom[inica] I, II post Epiph[anias] et Septuag[esimae]

 

[karenappleyard]

Thank you. Interestingly, from record 3 attached, which is the record of death for Wendel's wife Barbara; can you tell if Wendel is alive or dead at this time?

Thanks, Karen. http://www.archion.de/p/9d7345c8f7/

 

[user722]

Wendel Mattes died on May 9, 1753
http://www.archion.de/p/dd00922881/

 

[vnagel2004]

[1747]
dn [den] 8. Febr[uar]

Barbara, Wendel Mat-
tesens, Bürgers, Becker-
Meisters u[nd] Schieders allhir
ehel[iche] Haußfrau

war eine sehr christl[iche] und fromme
Frau. propter abortum et nimiem
sanguinis profusionem obiit aet[atis]
42 Jahr


the deceased was Wendel Mattesen housewife upon the time of her death ---> Wendel was alive when his wife died.

 

[karenappleyard]

http://www.archion.de/p/8f3cc3a00a/

This one is a long shot but it does look like the name Matthes, can you tell me who it is please? Next, I am going to search and see if he remarried for a 3rd time!

 

[user722]

That's the death record mentioned above:

Wendel Mattes died on May 9, 1753
http://www.archion.de/p/dd00922881/

 

[karenappleyard]

That's the death record mentioned above:

Wow. That's wonderful. Can you translate into English for me?

 

[user722]

10.
Den 9 ten Maj: 1753
Johann Wendel Mattes
Burger und BäckerMeister
wie auch ältister Schieder
allhier.

Homo Sibi et Se curans. be-
thete sich end⟨lich⟩ gar fein zu seinem __
Ende. Seine Kranckheit schiene ein __
Entzündung zu seyn. Hatte 3. Weiber __
obiit aet: 70 Jahr 3. Monath, und 1 (Tag ?)

Sorry, cannot translate the whole text:

On May 9, 1753 died
Johann Wendel Mattes
citizen and master baker
as well as oldest ‘Schieder’ here.
…
Had 3 wives (so 3 times married)
died 70 years 3 months and 1 day old.

 

[karenappleyard]

Fantastic. thank you.

 

[karenappleyard]

10.
Den 9 ten Maj: 1753
Johann Wendel Mattes
Burger und BäckerMeister
wie auch ältister Schieder
allhier.

Homo Sibi et Se curans. be-
thete sich end⟨lich⟩ gar fein zu seinem __
Ende. Seine Kranckheit schiene ein __
Entzündung zu seyn. Hatte 3. Weiber __
obiit aet: 70 Jahr 3. Monath, und 1 (Tag ?)

Sorry, cannot translate the whole text:

On May 9, 1753 died
Johann Wendel Mattes
citizen and master baker
as well as oldest ‘Schieder’ here.
…
Had 3 wives (so 3 times married)
died 70 years 3 months and 1 day old.

I think the missing bit must be to do with how he died. Inflammation, but of what - we may never know. Thank you again.

 

[karenappleyard]

Hello. Just to apologise for the duplicate query yesterday. I think I was too excited and wondering whether the first enquiry had finished, I posted again. Very sorry, it won't happen again. Your translations are all wonderful. Kx

 

[vnagel2004]

I think the missing bit must be to do with how he died. Inflammation, but of what - we may never know. Thank you again.

Sorry, not inflammation of what but....

>>....Seine Kranckheit schiene ein ?innere? [second half of the word surrounded by questions marks illegible due to tight binding of the book]
Entzündung zu seyn....<<

His illness seems to have been caused by [some kind of] inner inflammation.

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Even the people informing the priest about the cause of death of the deceased apparently did not have exact knowledge about it.