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[karenappleyard]

I can't thank you enough for these translations. What you have shown is beyond my wildest dreams. Last year I 'self published' a book about our family history, taking us back to 1762 with the question 'is baking in the genes'. I believed that Michael and Wendel were our ancestors and indicated there was a possibility that Bernard and Martin were also family. I also said that if I could find 'records' to confirm them as our ancestors and possibly discover whether any of them had been Bakers, then I would re-publish. So I am now writing the 2nd edition of my Book. The only final question I have is that from Bernhard's Marriage record it is very clear that his father is Martin Matthess, Master Baker - that doesn't necessarily mean however that he is the same Martin who fathers the 6 children in later years, referenced in an earlier document. If I could find that, it would be fantastic. Best Regards, Karen (Matthes).

Whoops, pressed the wrong button. But thinking about it I do have the birth records for Johann Nikolaus, Anna Catharina, Johann Albrect, Anna Maria, Anna Maria and Michael Matthes, all born to Martin Matthess and Margareta Catharina in Dorzbach from 1675 onwards. If I could find the marriage records for 1 of these children it may also indicate the father is Martin, the Master Baker. Would that work? I shall start hunting!

 

[karenappleyard]

Actually I think the answer is here in the birth record of Johann Albrecht born in 1680 in Dorzbach. Please translate for me and then I promise I will go away for a while! http://www.archion.de/p/4f14cd255c/

 

[user722]

Essential parts:

13.
Natus den 13. Maij ⟨1680⟩ Merid.⟨iana⟩ hora 11. [ born May 13, 1680 at 11 o’clock in the morning ]
Parentes
{ Martin Mathes des | Gerichtes, Becker u. Bur- | ger allhier [ member of the local council, baker and citizen here ]
{ Catharina.
Renatus eod.⟨em⟩ die hora 2. [ baptized the same day at 2 o’clock ]

Susceptus ob …
…
Vocatus. Johann Albrechtt. [ named Johann Albrechtt ]

 

[eggi]

Well the church registers before 1675 are lost. So we don't have Martins's baptism, first wedding, death of first wife, second wedding, and baptism of children from first marriage. However, Doerzbach is quite a small village, so it's unlikely that there were two bakers and members of local council called Martin Mathes of about the same age at the same time. As his (computed) birth year was 1623 you could speculate that his first wedding could have been in early 1650s. Bernhards computed birth year 1659 fits in very well.
Nevertheless you could search for other records related to that family, that provide further hints.

 

[karenappleyard]

I quite agree! Can you suggest other records I might seek? There is a family tree online that states Martin was born in a place called Althausen - but I have found no evidence for this.

 

[karenappleyard]

1682

Dom[inica] Quasim[odogeniti], Misericord[ia] v. [und] Jubilate
ist Hanß Bernhard, Beckerhandwercks
Juv[enis] M. [Meister] Martin Mattesen des Gerichts
sonst Beckers v. [und] Bürgers alhiren
Ehelicher Sohn mit Margaretha M...
Maximiliani Kuhnen des Gerichtes
Herrschafft[lichen] Bäckers v. [und] Bürgers
Ehe[licher] Tochter, proclamiret v. [und] den 9. May
allhier copuliret worden

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Dominica (Latin expression) = Am Tage des Herrn / on the day of the Lord = Sonntag = Sunday

Dominica Quasimodogeniti = Sunday April, 5 1682
Dominica Misericordia = Sunday April, 12 1682
Dominica Jubilate = Sunday April, 19 1682

1682

[After 3 consecutive] marriage announcements on the Sundays Dominica Quasimodogeniti, Misericordia and Jubilate were married at this place [Doerzbach] on May, 9 [1682]
the bachelor Hans Bernhard [Mattes], a baker,
the legitimate son of the master baker Martin Mattes, member of the local council and citizen at this place [Doerzbach]
with
Margaretha M... [rest of the second given name illegible / covered in tight binding] [Kuhn],
the legitimate daughter of Maximilian Kuhn, member of the local council, seigneurial baker and citizen

Last one please. I think this is the record for the death of Maria Christina Susannah, wife of Michael. http://www.archion.de/p/8977952f65/

Thanks, Karen.

 

[msiegle]

deceased person:
Maria Christine Susanne Matthesin, geb. Mesnerin (née: Mesner)
from Kupferzell, protestant

parents:
Johann Georg Mesner, baker in Kupferzell (deceased)
Margaretha Sophia Catharina geb Faberin (née: Faber) (deceased)

spouse:
Johann Michael Matthes, "Hofbäcker in Kupferzell" (court baker)

age at death:
70 y , 4 m, 2 d

cause of death:
hitziges Fieber (hot fever)

place and time of death:
Kupferzell Nov. 4, 6 - 7 p.m.

place and time of funeral:
Kupferzell Nov. 6, 1 p.m.

 

[karenappleyard]

Wow - fabulous. Thanks, Karen.