Reading Aid for Marriage Record

[GurdyRoot]

https://www.archion.de/p/d6dd26efcf/
Hello. Could someone please help me with this marriage record of Johannes Scherer to Maria Martha?

Also, when it says "von Pfungstadt" does that not necessarily mean Johannes was born in Pfungstadt, but just living there at the time?

Thank you so much for your help!

 

[C.Thalmaier]

Hi,

Johannes Scherer von Pfungstadt mit Maria Martha
des Conrad Kochs Einwohner ??

The rest I also have my problems reading it.


Regarding your question, in normally means he was born there.

 

[vnagel2004]

Also, when it says "von Pfungstadt" does that not necessarily mean Johannes was born in Pfungstadt, but just living there at the time?

Exactly.

One always needs to consider both options:

a) the person was born at that place
and also
b) the person (only) resided at that place at the time of the record in question.

Thanks for taking so much care.

 

[GurdyRoot]

Thank you both for your help! I really appreciate it!!

Does it say what Conrad's relation is to her? I can't tell if it's her prior husband's name or her father's name.
Also, what is the 1754 date noted at the end?
Thank you.

 

[Anne23]

Hallo,

leider kann ich den Eintrag auch nicht sicher lesen.

Does it say what Conrad's relation is to her? I can't tell if it's her prior husband's name or her father's name.

Ich denke, dass hinter Conrad Koch Inwohner zu ... hinterlassene Witwe oder ähnliches steht.

Dazu habe ich den Sterbeeintrag der Maria Martha Scherer gefunden, bei dem ich allerdings selbst Lesehilfe brauche:

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Im Zusammehang heißt es, dass sie am 3. Okt. 1779 [aus dem Eicher Grund] als eheliche Haußfrau des bürgerlichen Einwohners zu Hamm Johannis Scherer starb.

Ihr Alter 55 Jahre weniger 9 Monate.
Sie hinterläßt aus 1. Ehe 1 Sohn und 1 Tochter, aus der 2. Ehe vier Söhne und zwei Töchter.

Ich hoffe und denke, dass jemand Ihnen bei den anderen Fragen und diesem Eintrag helfen kann.

LG

 

[Curiosita]

Hamm
d[en] 5 Febr[uarius]
Ist Johannes Scherer von Pfungstadt mit Maria Martha
des Conrad Kochs Inwohners zu Hamm hind[e]rlassen[e] Witt[we]
ref[ormierter] rel[igion] (*) copulirt w[orden] N[ota] B[ene] pertinet ad annum 1754 d[en] 25 Feb[ruar] (**)

* cf. https://www.archion.de/p/b3c5c92aff/ (first enty: "... Reformirter Religion ...")
** probably "Nota bene: belongs to the year 1754, February 25"

Does it say what Conrad's relation is to her?

In case this this burial refers to the "correct" Conrad Koch, she is his widow.

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This Conrad Koch died on February 5 (or 6) 1753. Matching the death record of Maria Martha Scherer (1779), two children ("zwey Kinder") are mentioned (probably https://www.archion.de/p/4330d35cb6/, and https://www.archion.de/p/16f4db336c/).

Also, what is the 1754 date noted at the end?

As, according to the registers, the Scherer-Koch marriage took place just 19 or 20 days after Mr. Koch's death, which is very unlikely, I would assume, the Nota Bene is a clarification concerning the correct year of marriage (1754). Perhaps the priest did his "bookkeeping" just once a year, or every other year, made a mistake, and didn't want to cross out what was already written.

 

[Anne23]

Hallo,

eine kleine Ergänzung ist die Heirat des Conrad Koch mit Maria Martha:

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1748

d 17t 9bris wurde Conrad Koch ledigen Standes mit
Maria Martha Koenigin

[17. ? November 1748]

https://www.archion.de/p/16f4db336c/).

Bei der Geburt des Sohnes Johann Koch wurde als Pate Joh(ann) König ledig eingetragen.

Der Geburtsname von Maria Martha dürfte damit König sein.

LG

 

[GurdyRoot]

Thank you all so much for your help!! I couldn't figure it out. I really appreciate all of your transcriptions, links and research. Thank you again!
Danke schön!!