Phillip Jacob Leib

[vnagel2004]

Can we find any other children of Hilarius Göth and Elisabetha, née Hartmann?

Sure, there are several within church books and apparently you already searched for them yourself…..

 

[chrissbergstrom]

I found there names from another source, i did find Julianna and Jacob mentioned in documents related to the Leib family i have been finding, but had not seen the specific baptismal's for them. I believe the "Göth" family we're from Ebersheim, Mainz originally.

 

[vnagel2004]

I found there names from another source,

And this "other source" are Roman Catholic church books for Ebersheim on FamilySearch?

If so, I am really sorry, but you will not find any of these here, since Archion basically provides Evangelical / Lutheran church books only (with some exceptions).

 

[chrissbergstrom]

Yes that is correct.

 

[vnagel2004]

1813 marriage "Goeth - Hartmann" as indexed here

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JHMN-2QX?lang=en

Family tree / family "Goeth - Hartmann"

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[chrissbergstrom]

Susanna Catharina Leib, the eldest daughter of Philipp Jacob Leib and Maria Rosina Diehl appears to have been named after Susanna Catharina Leib whom married Johann Henrich Diehl, I am assuming Phillip Jacob's sister married Maria Rosina's brother.

Susanna Catharina Leib

https://www.archion.de/p/9128d63906/

then i found a child for Susanna Catharina Leib and Johann Henrich Diehl
Maria Catharina Diehl
https://www.archion.de/p/2f2d198c04/

Now trying to confirm this but can't seem to find anythung else.

 

[Anne23]

Hallo,

ich denke, dass ist die Heirat:

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Johann Diehl und Susanna Katharina Dietz(in), Tochter von Johann Martin Dietz.

LG

 

[vnagel2004]

Susanna Catharina Leib, the eldest daughter of Philipp Jacob Leib and Maria Rosina Diehl appears to have been named after Susanna Catharina Leib whom married Johann Henrich Diehl, I am assuming Phillip Jacob's sister married Maria Rosina's brother.

Susanna Catharina Leib

https://www.archion.de/p/9128d63906/

then i found a child for Susanna Catharina Leib and Johann Henrich Diehl
Maria Catharina Diehl
https://www.archion.de/p/2f2d198c04/

Now trying to confirm this but can't seem to find anythung else.

Careful, careful. Please.
Diehl is a really wide-spread name.

Other than that you need to take into consideration that your "Maria Rosina Diehl" was NOT born in Harxheim, but in Biebelsheim instead.
As you already know from the 1803 marriage record between Philipp Jacob Leib and Maria Rosina Diehl, she was the surviving daughter of the late Wenzel Diehl from Biebelsheim.

see here:

Phillip Jacob Leib

I am trying to find a Baptismal or marrige record or death record for Phillip Jacob Leib from Harxheim. His wife was Maria Rosina He had several children Susanna Catharina born Dec 24 1804 in Harxheim is the eldest i have found, and the youngest i have found is my ancestor Jacob Friedrich Leib...

www.archion.de

 

[chrissbergstrom]

Thank you both

 

[chrissbergstrom]

But Johann Diehl is confirmed from Biebelsheim in the marriage record https://www.archion.de/p/48b8cf21a0/

 

[vnagel2004]

But Johann Diehl is confirmed from Biebelsheim in the marriage record https://www.archion.de/p/48b8cf21a0/

That‘s right the same 1798 marriage record (Johann Diehl, inhabitant in Biebelsheim with Susanna Katharina Dietz, in Harxheim) which is already linked in message # 27 above.

The „connecting“ record you were looking for is found!

 

[chrissbergstrom]

Yes, just wish it confirmed the exact relationship to Wenzel Diehl and his daughter Maria Rosina Diehl, I am thinking it must be one of her brothers.

 

[vnagel2004]

Yes, just wish it confirmed the exact relationship to Wenzel Diehl and his daughter Maria Rosina Diehl, I am thinking it must be one of her brothers.

Since the 1803 marriage and this 1798 marriage already confirm that Maria Rosina Diehl and Johann Diehl have the same / identical father: Wenzelslaus / Wenzel Diehl from Biebelsheim ---- these two are siblings.

The Biebelsheim / Planig church registers -for the required time period not online available at Archion- provide proof.

Check FamilySearch's holdings for Biebelsheim and Planig church registers.

 

[vnagel2004]

There's also a book available in the holdings of FamilySearch which will help you find the desired people / family

FamilySearch Digital Library

 

[chrissbergstrom]

I cannot read any of the Biebelsheim church registers i have tried it's illegible and i looked through the entire 1782 section and do not see Maria Rosina Diehl listed.... and the book does not list Wenzel... this is what i see.

<189> DIEHL Johann
1. 0-0 DIEHL Sara * 22.02.1838 + 22.04.1838
Biebelsheim

<190> DIEHL Johann Müller < 191.1
Father: DIEHL Johannes
00 08.07.1751 Badenheim

EMRICH Susanna Margaretha < 236.1
* 10.09.1729 Biebelsheim
Parents: EMRICH Johann Christian, SCHMIDT
Sophia Barbara

<191> DIEHL Johannes
1. 0-0 DIEHL Johann
00 08.07.1751 Badenheim, EMRICH Susanna Margaretha > 190

<192> DIEL Heinrich
00
UNKNOWN Anna Maria 1.00 922
* Flonheim

<193> DIEL Anton Kutscher
*07.10.1838 Gabsheim + 22.11.1913 Mainz
00 16.02.1878 Mainz

SAX Eva Catharina < 1030.2
* 07.02.1846 Biebelsheim + 27.05.1887 Mainz
Parents: SAX Johann, EMRICH Maria Appolonia

 

[vnagel2004]

Full Stopp please - sorry for a totally mis-leading information.

The place is not: Biebelsheim ---- but instead: Biebelnheim

Biebelnheim – Wikipedia

de.wikipedia.org

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Here is the death record for Wenzelslaus / Wenzel / Wenz Diel / Diehl

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Jahr 1803
gestorben am 27 tn Jan. 1803
7. Pluviôse XI
begraben am 29 tn Jan. 1803
9. Pluviôse XI

Wenz Diel, Bürger allhier u. Wittwer [citizen in Biebelnheim, a widower]

Schlagfluss [cause of death: stroke]

59 Jahr [59 years old]


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The second date provided for death and burial is a date from the "Calendar of the French Revolution" (Französischer Revolutionskalender)

A calculator for dates from the Gregorian Kalender to the "French Revolution Calendar" can i.e. be found here

Französischer Revolutionskalender - Kalenderrechner

Kalenderrechner zum Umwandeln zwischen Gregorianischem Datum und Datum des Republikanischen Kalenders 1792-1805

www.familienbuch-euregio.de

 

[chrissbergstrom]

Thank you, well that explains not finding his daughter in Biebelsheim records i should be looking in the Bibelnheim baptismal register.

 

[vnagel2004]

This topic will now be closed - as per the private request of @chrissbergstrom