Death of Margaretha Catharina Matthess

[karenappleyard]

http://www.archion.de/p/c9567352f9/

Hi. I believe this is the record of death for Margareta Catharina Matthess, wife of Martin Matthess, death on 31st March 1728. Can you confirm if this is correct. Many Thanks, Karen.

 

[vnagel2004]

I am sorry, but no.

Widow Margaretha Matthes, wife of the late Hans (Hanß) Bernhard Matthes

DOD is correct.

 

[karenappleyard]

Thank you! I have a question for you. I have nearly finished my research now - and am writing my findings up into a book for my family. I now have 14 generations, starting with Martin Matthess as a Baker in Dorzbach, through 10 generations of Bakers and 3 further generations. My question is, would you like a copy of the book when finished so you wonderful translators can see what you are helping me to produce? I hope to finish before Christmas! If you would, then please just give me a contact name and address and I will send when done.

I only have 2 research questions left, but these may never be resolved. Can I get further back than Martin Matthess, death in Dorzbach in 1702. And the elusive Alfred Matthes who was 25 when the UK Census 1911 was done - and seems to have disappeared from all other records.

So thank you again to all the Translators on this Forum. Your work is fantastic and hugely appreciated!, Karen Appleyard (nee Matthes)

 

[user722]

Can I get further back than Martin Matthess, death in Dorzbach in 1702.

Do you have the marriage in 1687 for

Joh. Jacob [Matthes], Martin Mattheßen des Gerichts
Ehel.[icher] Sohn

http://www.archion.de/p/50c57f7c2c/

 

[karenappleyard]

No I don't! Is that another son? Is the mother mentioned? That could be a son from an earlier wife and brother to Bernhard Matthess.

 

[vnagel2004]

1687 Dörzbach

two burials for a Rosina Matthes, daughter of Martin M., des Gerichts…

One 18 years old, one 20 years old

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So Martin Matthes should have married at least (most likely even way earlier than) 1667.

(Why „way earlier“ ? Because his age at death is provided as 79… years in 1702 which leads to a calculated (!) year of birth about 1623.)


(I trust you already have these two burials.)

 

[kari]

Can I get further back than Martin Matthess, death in Dorzbach in 1702

One possibility is to search at the Landesarchiv Baden-Württemberg

Search

Hohenlohe Central Archive Neuenstein marked.

Some examples for the search with Mat (includes the spelling Matthes and Mathes). Besides Dörzbach, I have also included bakers from other places.

http://www.landesarchiv-bw.de/plink/?f=3-261735
http://www.landesarchiv-bw.de/plink/?f=3-561722
http://www.landesarchiv-bw.de/plink/?f=3-273451
http://www.landesarchiv-bw.de/plink/?f=3-273456
http://www.landesarchiv-bw.de/plink/?f=3-224403
http://www.landesarchiv-bw.de/plink/?f=2-68811-80
http://www.landesarchiv-bw.de/plink/?f=3-16461
http://www.landesarchiv-bw.de/plink/?f=3-249455
http://www.landesarchiv-bw.de/plink/?f=3-181322
http://www.landesarchiv-bw.de/plink/?f=3-126865
http://www.landesarchiv-bw.de/plink/?f=3-101516

 

[karenappleyard]

Wow, thank you all. And I thought I had finished!
I will follow up all the Central Archive links. And I didn't have Jacob or the 2 Rosina's. Can you give for Jacob the name of his wife and date of wedding. Also, I'm afraid I can't decipher much on the burials for the Rosina's. Can you give me full names and dates again. Thanks, Sorry. Karen.

 

[karenappleyard]

I also agree that I think Matin Matthess probably had 3 marriages; 1 earlier one for which I have no record. the 2nd to an unnamed woman with whom he had Johannes Bernhard, Jacob and the 2 Rosina's and the 3rd marriage to a Margaretha Catharina with whom he had a further 6 children.

 

[user722]

Joh. Jacob [Matthes], Martin Mattheßen des Gerichts
Ehel.[icher] Sohn
http://www.archion.de/p/50c57f7c2c/

Anno 1687
1
Dom.⟨inica⟩ Sexages⟨ima⟩. Quinq.⟨uagesima⟩ et Invocavit (was 30th January, 6th and 13th February) ist
Joh.⟨ann⟩ Jacob. Martin Mattheßen des Gerichts,
Ehel.⟨icher⟩ Sohn mit Rosina weyl:⟨and⟩ Jacob
Schmidlhans/Schmickhans(?) Onolzbachischen Soldaten
Tochter p⟨ro⟩clamiret u.⟨nd⟩ Tempore
___ quo suô loco copuliret worden

 

[user722]

two burials for a Rosina Matthes, daughter of Martin M., des Gerichts…
One 18 years old, one 20 years old

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Nr.8
Den 21. Juny [1688] … aet. 18.
Jahr in Meiner Abwesenheit von H[errn]
Pfarrer zu Hollenbach beErdiget.

Nr.15
Ist Rosina, Martin Mattesen Ehel.
Tochter. 20. Jahr alt, in absen[ti]a mea
beErdiget worden.
(probably double entry for the same person - for a funeral in his absence)

 

[karenappleyard]

So is Jacob's wife Rosina Schmidhans, and do I need to look further forward for the date of their marriage? This is like our 'calling of the Banns).

 

[user722]

do I need to look further forward for the date of their marriage?

No; usually the marriage ceremony took place after 3 proclamations, so either on February 13 or shortly thereafter.
No further entry in Dörzbach.