Reading Aid - Age at death - Johann Heinrich Mengler - Lesehilfe – Sterbealter

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Hi Archion forums,
I'm looking in Altenau, near Zellerfeld.

My current search focus is Johann Heinrich Mengler, father of Sophie Johanne Christiane Mengler

Does this death record mention age? The AI transcript seems to suggest he was 57 but the handwriting seems like either 51, or 5 https://www.archion.de/p/3c2b1240ad/

Other information points:

Daughter Marriage: Altenau / Kirchenbuch 1750-1829, Image 339 #10: “Georg Christoph Lutz heitten Sophie Johanne Christiane Mengler 19 November 1782” https://www.archion.de/p/1f421b077f/

Son Marriage: Altenau / Kirchenbuch 1750-1829, Image 295 #17: “Joachim Christoph Mengler heitten Joffr Margretha Elisabeth Warneken, 10 November 1750” https://www.archion.de/p/ffca5c93ca/

Unnamed son Birth: Altenau / Kirchenbuch 1750-1829, Image 19 #26: “Son of Johann Heinrich Mengler, born 13 April 1755, baptised on 16 April 1755” https://www.archion.de/p/ac35de55c7/

Unnamed son Birth: Altenau / Kirchenbuch 1750-1829, Image 31 #30: “Son of Johann Heinrich Mengler, born 17 November 1759" https://www.archion.de/p/027048a14e/

Thanks - Naomi
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Hallo Archion-Foren,

Ich suche in Altenau, in der Nähe von Zellerfeld.

Mein aktueller Suchschwerpunkt ist Johann Heinrich Mengler, Vater von Sophie Johanne Christiane Mengler

Wird in dieser Sterbeurkunde das Alter erwähnt? Das AI-Transkript scheint darauf hinzudeuten, dass er 57 Jahre alt war, aber die Handschrift scheint entweder 51 oder 5 zu sein https://www.archion.de/p/3c2b1240ad/

Weitere Informationspunkte:

Tochterheirat: Altenau / Kirchenbuch 1750-1829, Bild 339 #10: „Georg Christoph Lutz heitten Sophie Johanne Christiane Mengler 19. November 1782“ https://www.archion.de/p/1f421b077f/

Sohn Heirat: Altenau / Kirchenbuch 1750-1829, Bild 295 #17: „Joachim Christoph Mengler heitten Joffr Margretha Elisabeth Warneken, 10. November 1750“ https://www.archion.de/p/ffca5c93ca/

Unbenannter Sohn Geburt: Altenau / Kirchenbuch 1750-1829, Bild 19 #26: „Sohn von Johann Heinrich Mengler, geb. 13. April 1755, getauft am 16. April 1755“ https://www.archion.de/p/ac35de55c7/

Unbenannter Sohn Geburt: Altenau / Kirchenbuch 1750-1829, Bild 31 #30: „Sohn von Johann Heinrich Mengler, geboren am 17. November 1759“ https://www.archion.de/p/027048a14e/

Danke
 
Nelford schrieb:
Does this death record mention age? The AI transcript seems to suggest he was 57 but the handwriting seems like either 51, or 5 https://www.archion.de/p/3c2b1240ad/
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1782

den 18 April ist Johann Heinrich Mengler, des Fuhr-
knechts Johann Heinrich Menglers kleiner und Jahr und Tag
krank gewesener Sohn an den Blattern gestorben und den 21 ejusdem ppter [propter]
Deum begraben worden alt 5 J[ahre] 4 M[onate]
 
Nelford schrieb:
My current search focus is Johann Heinrich Mengler, father of Sophie Johanne Christiane Mengler
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As you already found > Sophie Johanne Christiane Mengler married in November 1782, her father, profession: "Silberabtreiber", Johann Heinrich Mengler was already deceased by then.
Please note the word "gewesenen" in that record = late / deceased

So here you go with his death record 1778 #15

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"Silberabtreiber"
www.dwds.de

›silberabtreiber‹ in: Deutsches Wörterbuch (¹DWB)

›silberabtreiber‹ in: Deutsches Wörterbuch (¹DWB)
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You're welcome
Vera
 
Thanks so much!

I think I found his birth record, his marriage records as well as the birth of his daughter. Two further reading items 1) his name on the birth record, 2) His second wife's name

His birth: Image 165 entry 5: https://www.archion.de/p/6f9d26c3c1/ - name at the very end Joh. H...?

First Marriage: Image 301 #16: Johanna Sophia Lüdin, 22 October 1754 https://www.archion.de/p/0e3011b456/

Second Marriage: Image 31 #30: Christiana ...???... Sachsen, 19 September 1758 https://www.archion.de/p/625c57a300/

Daughter's birth: Image 38 #36: “Sophia Johanne Christiane Mengler, born 20 November 1761, baptised 24 November 1761 https://www.archion.de/p/1a8564d730/
 
1) Name on the birth record: Joh. Henr.

Name of his first wife: Johanna Sophia Ludin (female ending -in, so the name is probably Lude)

2) Name of his second wife: Johanna Christiana Rosina Sachsen
Pls note that the link you provided does not point to the entry of your request:

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Pls be so kind to help make it easier for the helpers to help you by providing links showing directly to the entry in question rather than to a full double page.
 
Thank you.


Following the Father-Son chain named Johann Heinrich Mengler

Could this be the Johann Heinrich Mengler shoemaker (Father of the Johann Heinrich Mengler bornn in 1729?):
  • Image 421 #18 1757: On May 9th, Johann Heinrich M???ler—a local citizen and shoemaker, aged 72 years, 6 months, and 5 days—passed away. He was publicly interred on the 15th (Rogate Sunday).
  • https://www.archion.de/p/b33a0768a1/

Going back 72 years earlier - is the bottom left entry a Mengler?
 
For his birth / baptism > Go to Image 47 #18 1685 > Johan Henricus [Henrich]

He married in 1708 #13 - wife's family name: Schumacher, the forester's / ranger's daughter

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19) … Gorg Menglar



Den 5 … abend …. 5&6 … Gorg

Menglar ... Sofie …

5 … Henri??…

… Anna Christina…

…. nomer infantis Johan Henricus



Is the birth 5 September? (Guessing because previous entries are Aug and later entries are Oktober)



Do we get a name for the father and/or mother's name?
 
Nelford schrieb:
Is the birth 5 September? (Guessing because previous entries are Aug and later entries are Oktober)

Do we get a name for the father and/or mother's name?
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Yes, date of birth is September 5, 1685
Father's name is provided > Hans Gorge [Georg] Mengler
Mother's name -as usual these days- is not provided.


18)
H[errn] Hanß Gorgen Mengler [this is the father!]

den 5. 7bris [September] abends zwischen 5 und 6 Uhren [Uhr] ist H[errn] Hanß Gorgen
Menglern Ein Sohn gebohren, welcher den 9. eiusdem die
h[eilige] Tauffe Empfangen, Gevattern waren Henrich Rausch,
Hanß Spötter und Anna Christina Erhards Brawmeisters [Braumeistern]
Frau. Nomen infantis [child's name] Johan Henricus [Henrich]


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Please allow a "heads-up" when you look for the marriage of: Hanß Gorge / Georg Mengler -----
there are two of them with this name who have children baptized at this same time period!!

The one you're interested in is addressed as: [Herr] Hanß Gorge Mengler - he's most likely the elder one of those two men.

And the other one is addressed as: Hanß Gorge Mengler, jun[ior]

Thank you.
 
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