Suche nach Geburts- und Heiratsunterlagen für Ernst Schiele, geboren 25. Dezember 1919 in Ostdeutschland

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Good day,

I hope someone in the community can help me. I'm researching the history of my grandfather, Ernst Schiele, born on December 25, 1919, in East Germany, and trying to find the last missing pieces of information.

Ernst was a German citizen who served in the Luftwaffe during World War II and was interned as a prisoner of war in Canada. After the war, he was resettled in the United Kingdom and, due to the Iron Curtain, could not return to East Germany, where his wife remained. He lived in Shrewsbury, England, until his death in 1983.

I have his British death certificate, which confirms his date of birth as December 25, 1919, and his place of birth as East Germany, but unfortunately, it doesn't provide a more precise location. Without a more precise location, I am unable to order his birth certificate, and I am therefore turning to this community in the hope that someone can help me piece together the last missing pieces of my grandfather's story.

I am looking for the following documents:
  • Baptismal register for Ernst Schiele, born December 25, 1919
  • Marriage register for Ernst Schiele, presumably from the late 1930s, before the Second World War
Unfortunately, I don't know the name of his German wife, which makes the search considerably more difficult.

Can someone help me or point me in the right direction? I would be very grateful for any advice.

Sincerely, Anna Hall


Good day,

I hope someone in the community can help me. I am researching the history of my grandfather, Ernst Schiele, born December 25, 1919 in East Germany, and am trying to find the final missing pieces of information.

Ernst was a German national who served in the Luftwaffe during the Second World War and was interned as a prisoner of war in Canada. After the war he was settled in the United Kingdom and was unable to return to East Germany due to the Iron Curtain, where his wife remained. He lived in Shrewsbury, England until his death in 1983.

I have his British death certificate which confirms his date of birth as 25 December 1919 and his place of birth as East Germany, but unfortunately does not provide a more specific location. Without a more specific location I am unable to order his birth certificate, and I am therefore turning to this community in the hope that someone may be able to help piece the final bits of my grandfather's life together.

I am looking for the following records:
  • Baptism register for Ernst Schiele, born December 25, 1919
  • Marriage register for Ernst Schiele, presumably from the late 1930s, before the Second World War

Unfortunately I do not know the name of his German wife, which makes the search considerably more difficult.

Can anyone help me or point me in the right direction? I would be very grateful for any guidance.

Kind regards,
 
Guten Abend,

vielen Dank für Ihre Antwort! Ja, das ist er. Ich habe seine britische Sterbeurkunde bereits erhalten, die sein Geburtsdatum als 25. Dezember 1919 und seinen Geburtsort als Ostdeutschland bestätigt, aber leider keine genauere Ortsangabe enthält.

Ich suche noch nach seinem genauen Geburtsort in Ostdeutschland, da ich diese Information benötige, um seine Geburtsurkunde beantragen zu können. Haben Sie möglicherweise Zugang zu weiteren Quellen, die mir helfen könnten?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen Anna


Good evening,

thank you for your response! Yes, that is him. I already have his British death certificate which confirms his date of birth as 25 December 1919 and his place of birth as East Germany, but unfortunately does not provide a more specific location.

I am still searching for his exact place of birth in East Germany, as I need this information in order to be able to order his birth certificate. Do you possibly have access to further sources that might help me?

Kind regards, Anna
 
Guten Abend,

ich möchte noch etwas mehr Kontext zu meiner Suche geben, in der Hoffnung, dass jemand weitere Hinweise hat.

Ich habe bereits herausgefunden, dass Ernst möglicherweise als Oberfeldwebel in der Luftwaffe diente, mit dem 11./KG z.b.V. 1, und am 31. Januar 1942 das Deutsches Kreuz in Gold sowie das Eiserne Kreuz 1. und 2. Klasse und die Transportfliegerspange erhielt.

Alles begann, als ich nach dem Tod meines Vaters im Jahr 2007 unter seinen persönlichen Sachen eine Handzeichnung von Ernst fand. Die Zeichnung wurde im Kriegsgefangenenlager angefertigt und zeigt seinen Namen sowie das Datum 25. Dezember 1944 in wunderschöner deutscher Schrift. Seit dem Tod meines Vaters hängt sie gerahmt in meinem Wohnzimmer, und diesen Monat habe ich begonnen, seine Geschichte zu erforschen.

Hat jemand Zugang zu weiteren Quellen oder Ideen, wie ich seinen genauen Geburtsort herausfinden könnte?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen Anna

Good evening,

I would like to give a little more context to my search, in the hope that someone may have further information.

I have already discovered that Ernst possibly served as an Oberfeldwebel in the Luftwaffe with 11./KG z.b.V. 1, and on 31 January 1942 was awarded the Deutsches Kreuz in Gold as well as the Iron Cross 1st and 2nd Class and the Transport Operational Clasp.

This all started when I was given a hand drawing of Ernst among my father's personal belongings after he died in 2007, a father I also did not know. The drawing was made in the POW camp and features his name and the date 25th December 1944 in beautiful German script. It has hung framed in my lounge since my father's death, and this month I began to research his story.

Does anyone have access to further sources or ideas as to how I might find his exact place of birth?

Kind regards, Anna
 
Hier bei Archion können sie nicht nach Namen suchen. Die meisten Kirchenbücher gehören zur evangelischen Kirche.
Sie werden also hier nur schwer etwas finden.
Datenschutz für Geburtsurkunden sind 110 Jahre, daher werden sie diese auch nicht online finden.
 
At this very stage your primary objective needs to be to find information which provides his place of birth, or his place and date of marriage.

Ostdeutschland / Eastern Germany is way to imprecise to find anything, to be honest.
Plus the family name "Schiele" is way to widely spread.

@baukuthi --- Vielen Dank für den Hinweis auf die zeitgleiche Anfrage im anderen Forum. ---- Such approach may be understandable, but is not really appreciated, since it normally causes unnecessary double work of a loss of information for people being willing to help. Sigh....

(Anyway that other request for help is already a couple days old and didn't get any reply so far.)
 
vnagel2004 schrieb:
Did you already try to get more information about him -being a soldier during WWII- from the holdings of

www.bundesarchiv.de

Personenbezogene Unterlagen militärischer Herkunft

Erfahren Sie wie Sie eine personenbezogene Recherche im Bundesarchiv durchführen: Welche Rechercheantrag ist notwendig? Und an welche Ansprechpartner
www.bundesarchiv.de www.bundesarchiv.de

Kind regards, Vera
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Good evening Vera, thank you so much! Yes, I've already submitted inquiries to the Federal Archives, both in Berlin and Freiburg. I'm still waiting for a reply. Kind regards, Anna

Good evening Vera, thank you! Yes, I have already submitted requests to the Federal Archives, both in Berlin and in Freiburg. I am still waiting for a response. Kind regards, Anna
 
baukuthi schrieb:
Here at Archion, you cannot search by name. Most church records belong to the Protestant church.
So you'll have a hard time finding anything here.
Data protection laws for birth certificates last 110 years, therefore you will not find them online.
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Thank you so much for this information. How can I search the church records without knowing the exact place of birth? I only have his date of birth, December 25, 1919, and I know he came from East Germany. Do you have any suggestions on how I could find the exact location? Sincerely, Anna

Thank you for this information. How can one search the church records without knowing the exact place of birth? I only have his date of birth, December 25, 1919, and know that he was from East Germany. Do you have any suggestions for how I might find the exact location? Kind regards, Anna
 
baukuthi schrieb:
Your question in another forum? https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=292245
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Yes, that's me! I've been very busy! Best regards, Anna

Yes, that's me! I've been very busy! Kind regards, Anna
vnagel2004 schrieb:
At this very stage your primary objective needs to be to find information which provides his place of birth, or his place and date of marriage.

Ostdeutschland / Eastern Germany is way to imprecise to find anything, to be honest.
Plus the family name "Schiele" is way to widely spread.

@baukuthi --- Thank you for pointing out the simultaneous request in the other forum. ---- Such an approach may be understandable, but is not really appreciated, since it normally causes unnecessary duplication of effort and a loss of information for people who are willing to help. Sigh....
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Thank you so much, Vera. I'm sorry for posting in multiple forums at the same time. I wasn't aware that this was problematic and will avoid it in the future.

You are absolutely right that my main goal is to find his exact birthplace or place of marriage. I have already submitted inquiries to the Federal Archives in Berlin and Freiburg and am awaiting a response. Do you have any suggestions on how else I could proceed?

Kind regards, Anna

Thank you Vera. I apologize for posting on multiple forums simultaneously. I was not aware this was considered problematic and will avoid doing so in future. You are absolutely right that my primary objective is to find his exact place of birth or marriage. I have already submitted requests to the Federal Archives in Berlin and Freiburg and am awaiting a response. Do you have any suggestions for how else I might proceed? Kind regards, Anna
 
Regarding Archion's data protection policy you may want to read this information with regard to the general availability of church book records

Hinweise zur Zugänglichkeit von Digitalisaten

Da hier immer wieder danach gefragt wird.... hier der direkte Link zu den im August 2025 von Archion veröffentlichen Hinweisen https://www.archion.de/de/archion-entdecken/alle-news/hinweis-zur-zugaenglichkeit-unserer-digitalisate Details der Umsetzung --> Punkt 2 "Schutzfristen auf Archion"
www.archion.de

Birth records for 1919 are not included at all at this very moment.

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Other than that Archion only almost has Evangelical / Lutheran Church books online available.

Roman Catholic Church books are online via the plattform "Matricula Online" --- https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/

In other words the religious belief of the person you're looking for is of essence as well.

Kind regards, Vera
 
vnagel2004 schrieb:
Anna, actually you can't - since it doesn't make any sense at all and is close to a waste of time.

You need more information from the Federal Archives, or try to find him within the "NSDAP database".

Kind regards, Vera
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Thank you so much, Vera, for your patience and understanding. I hope the military records will contain his exact place of birth. I will come back and keep everyone updated with new information as soon as more is known. I am also waiting for Canadian prisoner-of-war records, which may contain further information. I had hoped his death certificate would include a specific place of birth, but unfortunately, it only states "East Germany." Sincerely, Anna


Thank you Vera for your patience and understanding. I am hoping that the military records will contain his exact place of birth. I will come back and update you all with anything I find as more information comes in. I am also waiting on Canadian POW records that may give me more information. I had hoped his death certificate would give an exact place of birth, but it just says East Germany. Kind regards, Anna
 
vnagel2004 schrieb:
Regarding Archion's data protection policy you may want to read this information with regard to the general availability of church book records

Hinweise zur Zugänglichkeit von Digitalisaten

Da hier immer wieder danach gefragt wird.... hier der direkte Link zu den im August 2025 von Archion veröffentlichen Hinweisen https://www.archion.de/de/archion-entdecken/alle-news/hinweis-zur-zugaenglichkeit-unserer-digitalisate Details der Umsetzung --> Punkt 2 "Schutzfristen auf Archion"
www.archion.de

Birth records for 1919 are not included at all at this very moment.

-------------------------------

Other than that Archion only almost has Evangelical / Lutheran Church books online available.

Roman Catholic Church books are online via the plattform "Matricula Online" --- https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/

In other words the religious belief of the person you're looking for is of essence as well.

Kind regards, Vera
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Vielen Dank, Vera, für diese hilfreichen Informationen. Leider weiß ich nicht, welcher Religion mein Großvater angehörte, da er sein früheres Leben sehr privat gehalten hat. Er ließ sich nicht fotografieren, und die Dinge, die ich in den letzten Wochen herausgefunden habe, stimmen nicht mit dem überein, was mir die Familie erzählt hat.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Anna
Thank you Vera for this helpful information. Unfortunately I do not know what religion my grandfather followed, as he kept his earlier life very private, including not allowing any photos to be taken of him. The things I have found out these last few weeks are not what I was told by family.

Kind regards, Anna
 
Vielleicht war die Familie in gar keiner Kirche? "Ostdeutschland" war vielleicht im englischen sogar die ehemaligen Ostgebiete, heute Polen????
 
War nur ein Gedanke. Mußte man in England nicht auch, wenn möglich, Papiere bei der Anmeldung eines Todesfalles vorlegen? Wer hat denn diesen Geburtsort genannt? Vielleicht stimmt auch das Datum nicht wenn er so viel zu verbergen hatte???? Egal, kein Archion-Thema.
 
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