Bielefelder Nicolai Kirche Neustadt

Quelle
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Dear All, Are you able to help me. I am searching for the churchbook for my grand. grand farther in Bielefeld.

Name: Heinrich August Quelle Born: 26.02.1872

I got the churchbook number p 1 B nr. 40

Location: Bielefeld, Nicolai Kirche Neustadt.

Hope that someone are able to help. Vielen Danke!

vnagel2004
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Zitiert von: Quelle
Name: Heinrich August Quelle Born: 26.02.1872

I got the churchbook number p 1 B nr. 40

Location: Bielefeld, Nicolai Kirche Neustadt.

Good morning,

church registers for "Bielefeld, Nicolai Kirche" -besides other churches in Bielefeld- are online available here (i.e. use the Browse function > Westfalen > KK Bielefeld > Bielefeld > see availabe church registers)

If you want to browse the images, you need to buy an Archion passport first > i.e. see Help pages in the forum.

However, the church Bielefeld Nicolai does not refer to Bielefeld Neustadt but instead to Bielefeld Altstadt.

That said, if you indeed know that your ancestor was baptized within the Neustadt "communitiy" of Bielefeld, then "Nicolai" is the wrong church.

The correct community for Bielefeld-Neustadt is the church "Bielefeld Marien".

Which source provided that "church book number" to you?

Greetings, Vera

vnagel2004
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...Forgot something....

When you locate the following church register for Bielefeld Nicolai

Taufen,Beerdigungen,Trauungen 1814 - 1874
Datum von 1814
Datum bis 1874
Kopie von lückenhaften Aufzeichnungen aus den Beständen des Personenstandsarchivs Detmold (v.a. Taufen).

Please be aware of the note telling that this a fragmented church register only!

Plus: included baptisms end in 1869(!) - say any possible baptism of your ancestor is not included.

Vera

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Hello,

P 1 B 40 seems to be a Number from the Landesarchiv at Detmold.
The problem for St. Nicolai in Bielefeld is, that there is a large gap because
of the second World war

Paul-Reinhard
P.S.
Excuse my english..

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Thank you very much for the information. I appreciate it a lot. I have the original information from a letter my father kept from my German aunt (from Bielefeld). The letter is from 20.04.1989 from Mrs Eickmeier (NORDRHEIN-WESTFÄLISCHES PERSONENSTANDARCHIV WESTFALEN-LIPPE)

Vielen Dank

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Dear Prpeters and vnagel2004,

I do understand that due to the war some documents are lost, but please see the enclosed document! I got a copy from churchbook, but do not know where I can find et electronical. If I could find the answer for that, then I will be able to find other relatives as well. SORRY for I am using English and not German. I have been German citicen years ago, but do not write that well German.

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Sorry I could not enclose the document

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Hello,

as mentioned above, it is likely that your great-grandfather's birth record has not survived but don’t give up hope just yet. The main records were kept at the St. Nicolai Parish and were destroyed when the church was gutted in 1944 (not 1943) because of an air raid. The duplicates that each parish had to keep are held by the archives in Detmold. They were digitized and uploaded via Archion to serve as a makeshift replacement. Unfortunately, they are very inconsistent but I came across the following note: http://www.archion.de/p/1cb51b54d5/. The respective digital copy only contains those years that are not marked with "besch.". I assume that this abbreviation means "beschädigt" (i.e. "damaged" so the respective pages might not have been included because they were too fragile for digitization, yet they might still exist. Therefore, there is a slight chance that those pages are still kept at the archives in Detmold. As the note also applies to the birth records of 1872, the year your great-grandfather was born, I suggest you write to the archives (owl@lav.nrw.de) and ask for the whereabouts of the duplicates of the birth records for Bielefeld-Altstadt (St. Nicolai) of 1872. Tell them the signature P 1 B Nr. 40 (because P 1 B indeed refers to the signature of the duplicates that are kept at the archives in Detmold like Paul-Reinhard has pointed out, cf. https://www.archive.nrw.de/LAV_NRW/jsp/bestand.jsp?archivNr=409&tektId=1310&expandId=1309). I wish you the best of luck!

In case the record cannot be retrieved, you can still try something else. Do you know your great-grandfather's marriage and/or death date? If you do, you can write to the municipal archive of the city of Bielefeld (https://www.stadtarchiv-bielefeld.de/Kontakt[/url]) and ask for the respective records from the register office. Even if you don’t know his marriage and death dates, you can give the staff his full name and birth date and ask them to look up his marriage and death records for you as the records have been indexed. It is likely that either one or both records contain his parents' names and maybe even more information about them. If you're lucky, his parents’ marriage record can be retrieved from the aforementioned duplicates. The municipal archive’s staff are very knowledgeable and usually willing to help, especially since you are too far away to do the research yourself. They also know if consulting additional sources like resident registers, house number lists, etc. could be worth a try.

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PS: The note actually gives the signature as "P 1 B B 37".

Kokp18
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And the link should read https://www.stadtarchiv-bielefeld.de/Kontakt
Sorry about that.