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Pat64
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Quite amazing, Ria, thank you! A lot of food for thought here.

The Reformation movement occurred ealier but I wonder if there is a connection with his expulsion.

Iphofen and Wittelshofen are in Bavaria, right?

Best,
Patrizia

Zitiert von: kari
Philipp Röss was Cantor at the Latin School in Crailsheim from 1588-1593,
he came from Iphofen(expelled for his religious belief,
afterward, he was the minister of Wittelshofen.

see https://archive.org/details/GeschichteDesHumanistischenSchulwesensInWuerttembergBand2Teil2/page/n69/mode/2up[/quote]

kari
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I somewhere have "Ritterschaftliches Pfarrerbuch Franken" too - just have to find the right box He should be in the book because it has not only the Württemberg but also Bavarian Franconian ministers.

He studied in Wittenberg, see the matriculation 16 May 1582/3rd

http://digital.bibliothek.uni-halle.de/hd/content/pageview/2526130

I'll try to make a Schönherr summary as well.

Ria

Pat64
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Another very precious resource... thanks, Ria.

I understand... I have plenty of folders on the computer

He seems to have moved quite a bit... born in Bavaria (Iphofen), studied in Saxony (Wittenberg), Cantor in Württemberg (Crailsheim), expelled from Würzburg Abbey, back to Bavaria as Pastor (Wittelshofen), and eventually back to Württemberg (Crailsheim). Not sure about the chronological order.

I just have a doubt though.

Here is his death record from Crailsheim (1645) http://www.archion.de/p/2fbc0b3b33/ - age 72

Based on that, he would have been born around 1573. That would make him a 9-year-old boy immatriculated in Wittenberg. Possible??

Patrizia

Zitiert von: kari
I somewhere have "Ritterschaftliches Pfarrerbuch Franken" too - just have to find the right box He should be in the book because it has not only the Württemberg but also Bavarian Franconian ministers.

He studied in Wittenberg, see the matriculation 16 May 1582/3rd

http://digital.bibliothek.uni-halle.de/hd/content/pageview/2526130

I'll try to make a Schönherr summary as well.

Ria

kari
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Philipp *1573 +1645 is a locksmith

can't be Anna's father the cantor,
because Anna's father was cantor from 1588-1593 - if born in 1573, he was too young (15y) to be a cantor in 1588

The Philipp above could be a brother of Anna, possible that Philipp Ross was already a minister before he visited Wittenberg University. I have to find that book at least I found a snippet:
https://books.google.de/books?redir_esc=y&hl=de&id=WtAAAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=iphofen

Anna died at 7. Jan 1669 http://www.archion.de/p/5d56215a75/ aged 73, born 1596 in Wittelshofen? (not at Archion)

Ria

Pat64
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I thought so, that is why I started having doubts once you kindly provided more information about his education and career.

That Phillip was the only Ross found in Crailsheim and I set him aside thinking it could have been Anna's father, because I had no other information yet.

I can see from your snippet that he died in Wittelshofen in 1598, shortly after Anna was born.

Btw, I thought Anna was born around 1593 as I read 76 years old in her death record. You, instead, read aged 73.

This is her marriage record from Crailsheim - 16 Feb 1616 http://www.archion.de/p/412f12f16c/

I saw that Wittelshofen is not on Archion. Do you think it might be eventually added?

Philipp seems to have been expelled from other places besides Würzburg (which Abbey?). He was even in Austria. I imagine he was Protestant.

I appreciate all your help very much. You are extremely knowledgeable.

Best,
Patrizia

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Philipp *1573 +1645 is a locksmith

can't be Anna's father the cantor,
because Anna's father was cantor from 1588-1593 - if born in 1573, he was too young (15y) to be a cantor in 1588

The Philipp above could be a brother of Anna, possible that Philipp Ross was already a minister before he visited Wittenberg University. I have to find that book at least I found a snippet:
https://books.google.de/books?redir_esc=y&hl=de&id=WtAAAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=iphofen

Anna died at 7. Jan 1669 http://www.archion.de/p/5d56215a75/ aged 73, born 1596 in Wittelshofen? (not at Archion)

Ria

kari
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Sorry, you were right about Anna's age, of course.

The church records Wittelshofen are still in the parish, no copies in Nürnberg - no chance to see them soon here.

Apart from that, the parish registers before 1607 are not preserved.
see http://www.archion.de/p/32ace5a949/

The places are
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregarten

link only works with copy+paste
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altenm%C3%BCnster_(Stadtlauringen)

Ria

Pat64
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Vielen Dank nochmal for all this information, Ria.

Best,
Patrizia

Zitiert von: kari
Sorry, you were right about Anna's age, of course.

The church records Wittelshofen are still in the parish, no copies in Nürnberg - no chance to see them soon here.

Apart from that, the parish registers before 1607 are not preserved.
see http://www.archion.de/p/32ace5a949/

The places are
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregarten

link only works with copy+paste
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altenm%C3%BCnster_(Stadtlauringen)

Ria

Asheville56
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Patrizia,

I think I may have found my paternal gg grandfather’s birthplace in Leutesheim. After individually checking 400+ Baden Catholic church books for a marriage record, I realized that Ancestry has 28 million Lutheran (Germanic) records on line. For several reasons the birth record I found fits the man I am looking for. I want to mention two things: 1) in all those thousands of Catholic records only one or two Catholics with the Ross name were discovered 2) Leutesheim was teeming with Rosses. From 1825-1835 there were thirty legitimate Ross children born to a large number of different couples. The previous and following decades showed more Rosses.

Why had I been looking at Catholic records? These paternal gg grandparents had their infant son baptized in a Catholic church in Chicago in 1856 (arrived in America in 1855). Why? There were Protestant churches in Chicago at the time. Therefore, I believed Jacob Ross must have been a Catholic. I have solid evidence that his wife (1831-1899) was not. I am puzzled by this baptism of my great grandfather. But to be very sure, I am going to take several months and look at Catholic Baden birth records for 1826-1828 to be certain another Jacob Ross (who lives to adulthood) does not appear. The indexing of the Catholic Baden records is not 100%.

And the marriage record? It is possible since my gg grandmother was pregnant when she left Europe that they were married in America and merely posed as husband and wife on the manifest. Perhaps that is their marriage does not show up in the Bas Rhin or in Baden.

Thank you for note. I was hoping to hear from you.

Pat64
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Barbara,

Everything sounds very intriguing and the more you dig into it, the more questions you begin to ask yourself. I think it is a good idea to check for others bearing the same first and last name. Back in time, homonymy was very common, even within the same family group!

The Ross in my friend's ancestry was definitely a Protestant, originally from Bavaria (info kindly provided by forum member Kari). We are dating back to mid-1500s, three hundreds years before yours.

Good luck with your research. Keep me updated.
Patrizia

Zitiert von: Asheville56
Patrizia,

I think I may have found my paternal gg grandfather’s birthplace in Leutesheim. After individually checking 400+ Baden Catholic church books for a marriage record, I realized that Ancestry has 28 million Lutheran (Germanic) records on line. For several reasons the birth record I found fits the man I am looking for. I want to mention two things: 1) in all those thousands of Catholic records only one or two Catholics with the Ross name were discovered 2) Leutesheim was teeming with Rosses. From 1825-1835 there were thirty legitimate Ross children born to a large number of different couples. The previous and following decades showed more Rosses.

Why had I been looking at Catholic records? These paternal gg grandparents had their infant son baptized in a Catholic church in Chicago in 1856 (arrived in America in 1855). Why? There were Protestant churches in Chicago at the time. Therefore, I believed Jacob Ross must have been a Catholic. I have solid evidence that his wife (1831-1899) was not. I am puzzled by this baptism of my great grandfather. But to be very sure, I am going to take several months and look at Catholic Baden birth records for 1826-1828 to be certain another Jacob Ross (who lives to adulthood) does not appear. The indexing of the Catholic Baden records is not 100%.

And the marriage record? It is possible since my gg grandmother was pregnant when she left Europe that they were married in America and merely posed as husband and wife on the manifest. Perhaps that is their marriage does not show up in the Bas Rhin or in Baden.

Thank you for note. I was hoping to hear from you.

Pat64
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Ria,

I wanted to share with you an interesting finding.

Register zu Trauungen - http://www.archion.de/p/a950c5ef1b/

Trauungen - http://www.archion.de/p/bbaae53341/

Could he be "my" Philip Roß?

If that is indeed his marriage record, I might need your help in understanding the whole text. I get only bits and pieces.

8 May 1582
Father: Valentin
Willanzheim bei Mainbernheim... it is not Iphofen but rather close to it
Wife: Barbara Karg

Philip was immatriculated in Wittemberg on 16 May 1582, eight days after his marriage, Possible?